# 'Spider-Man: No Way Home' is an Awesome Mess - Fireside Discussion
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[00:00:00 - 00:00:10] The Doctor Strange character assassination is horrible, you're telling me that the same
[00:00:10 - 00:00:17] guy who sacrificed half of the universe for one chance for the Avengers to save the day
[00:00:17 - 00:00:24] is also going to sacrifice the multiverse for Peter's college.
[00:00:24 - 00:00:27] What?
[00:00:27 - 00:00:39] Guys, we're here.
[00:00:39 - 00:00:40] We did it.
[00:00:40 - 00:00:41] We're done.
[00:00:41 - 00:00:42] We've done all eight Spider-Man movies.
[00:00:42 - 00:00:45] Once you finish this video, Brandy Day will be coming soon.
[00:00:45 - 00:00:46] Don't fret.
[00:00:46 - 00:00:47] Yep.
[00:00:47 - 00:00:48] We're talking about No Way Home.
[00:00:48 - 00:00:49] Yes, we are.
[00:00:49 - 00:00:52] And this is like, this was a cultural moment when it came out.
[00:00:52 - 00:00:55] I remember being in the theater and cheering.
[00:00:55 - 00:00:57] Yeah, I do too.
[00:00:57 - 00:00:58] And like, it was awesome.
[00:00:58 - 00:00:59] Yep.
[00:00:59 - 00:01:01] So, welcome back to my line, a Fireside Film Podcast.
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[00:01:30 - 00:01:32] Drew, what do you think of No Way Home?
[00:01:32 - 00:01:35] Look, I have been kind of a No Way Home hater.
[00:01:35 - 00:01:36] You have.
[00:01:36 - 00:01:37] I'll be honest.
[00:01:37 - 00:01:38] A little bit.
[00:01:38 - 00:01:40] This was not as bad as I remember.
[00:01:40 - 00:01:41] I am in the same boat.
[00:01:41 - 00:01:45] There are a couple of things that I severely dislike about this movie.
[00:01:45 - 00:01:46] We'll talk about that.
[00:01:46 - 00:01:52] And there are a couple of ways that this movie highlights a lot of problems with the trilogy.
[00:01:52 - 00:01:53] Yes.
[00:01:53 - 00:01:57] But this movie, as it's in context, within itself.
[00:01:57 - 00:01:59] And within the MCU.
[00:01:59 - 00:02:01] We'll talk about it.
[00:02:01 - 00:02:04] Is better than I remember.
[00:02:04 - 00:02:05] That's what I'm going to say right now.
[00:02:05 - 00:02:06] Okay.
[00:02:06 - 00:02:09] We'll talk about the MCU and Spider-Verse and everything that's going on with this
[00:02:09 - 00:02:10] movie.
[00:02:10 - 00:02:14] But I think that this movie is a significant step up from far from home.
[00:02:14 - 00:02:15] Agreed.
[00:02:15 - 00:02:16] I think that it looks a lot better.
[00:02:16 - 00:02:17] Yep.
[00:02:17 - 00:02:19] There's some stuff that looks pretty bad.
[00:02:19 - 00:02:21] But for the most part, this is a good-looking movie.
[00:02:21 - 00:02:27] I think that this is Tom Holland's character, like Peter Parker version, taking on the most
[00:02:27 - 00:02:28] maturity.
[00:02:28 - 00:02:29] Agreed.
[00:02:29 - 00:02:32] And dealing with the most actually important stuff.
[00:02:32 - 00:02:33] I agree.
[00:02:33 - 00:02:37] I'll say that much for right now.
[00:02:37 - 00:02:38] Okay.
[00:02:38 - 00:02:39] So.
[00:02:39 - 00:02:40] Obviously spoilers for No Way Home.
[00:02:40 - 00:02:41] There's pretty big ones in here.
[00:02:41 - 00:02:44] So if you haven't seen it and you don't know what happens.
[00:02:44 - 00:02:45] That's crazy.
[00:02:45 - 00:02:46] That is crazy.
[00:02:46 - 00:02:47] I'll watch it and come back.
[00:02:47 - 00:02:49] But go watch.
[00:02:49 - 00:02:54] I think in the past I accused this movie of being pure nostalgia bait.
[00:02:54 - 00:02:55] It's not.
[00:02:55 - 00:02:56] I don't think it is.
[00:02:56 - 00:02:57] It isn't.
[00:02:57 - 00:02:58] But there is something-
[00:02:58 - 00:02:59] There is that here.
[00:02:59 - 00:03:00] That's in it.
[00:03:00 - 00:03:01] But it's not pure.
[00:03:01 - 00:03:02] No, I agree.
[00:03:02 - 00:03:07] I think that there's a journey that Tom Holland's Peter Parker goes on.
[00:03:07 - 00:03:08] I agree.
[00:03:08 - 00:03:10] And it's important for the character.
[00:03:10 - 00:03:12] And there are consequences for actions, which is something you've talked about a lot.
[00:03:12 - 00:03:13] I agree.
[00:03:13 - 00:03:14] There are, which I love.
[00:03:14 - 00:03:15] Yes.
[00:03:15 - 00:03:19] There's this problem, I think, with this movie.
[00:03:19 - 00:03:20] Okay.
[00:03:20 - 00:03:26] When you have a movie that is in the MCU, A, you are in a bigger universe than your
[00:03:26 - 00:03:27] movie.
[00:03:27 - 00:03:28] So you have to have continuity.
[00:03:28 - 00:03:29] Yep.
[00:03:29 - 00:03:34] And B, if you bring in other characters from the MCU, they have to have continuity with
[00:03:34 - 00:03:35] their past movies.
[00:03:35 - 00:03:36] Yep.
[00:03:36 - 00:03:38] Slash of Ender's movies.
[00:03:38 - 00:03:39] Yep.
[00:03:39 - 00:03:42] The Doctor Strange character assassination.
[00:03:42 - 00:03:43] It's like not great.
[00:03:43 - 00:03:46] It's horrible.
[00:03:46 - 00:03:54] You're telling me that the same guy who sacrificed half of the universe for one chance for the
[00:03:54 - 00:04:03] Avengers to save the day is also going to sacrifice the multiverse for Peter's college.
[00:04:03 - 00:04:06] What?
[00:04:06 - 00:04:07] What are we talking about right now?
[00:04:07 - 00:04:13] To be fair, when he starts to spell, he wasn't like, this could break the multiverse.
[00:04:13 - 00:04:16] Well, I know, but if you are Doctor Strange, you used to be Sorcerer Supreme.
[00:04:16 - 00:04:20] You are like, super top magic, dude.
[00:04:20 - 00:04:24] You know how to work all this stuff and you know the potential risks.
[00:04:24 - 00:04:28] And you know that if this plucky kid, who you've worked with before and has been
[00:04:28 - 00:04:33] not like annoying, but like he likes to talk, like, you know that about Peter, surely
[00:04:33 - 00:04:39] you say, Hey, you really can't talk because if you do, you break the multiverse or
[00:04:39 - 00:04:41] you take Peter out of the room.
[00:04:41 - 00:04:44] You do the spell or you don't do the spell at all.
[00:04:44 - 00:04:47] I think the spell is the biggest point of contention for me in this.
[00:04:47 - 00:04:48] Yes, I agree.
[00:04:48 - 00:04:51] I think how it gets resolved at the end of the movie is also not that good.
[00:04:51 - 00:04:54] But oh, that's interesting.
[00:04:54 - 00:04:55] Well, we'll talk about it.
[00:04:55 - 00:04:56] Okay.
[00:04:56 - 00:04:59] I would say there's like a gaping plot hole there that's like, this is kind of dumb.
[00:04:59 - 00:05:00] Yeah.
[00:05:00 - 00:05:01] Whatever.
[00:05:01 - 00:05:07] Um, yeah, I think that like the way we get to all these other villains and later
[00:05:07 - 00:05:10] Spider-Man are coming into this universe is kind of dumb.
[00:05:10 - 00:05:11] I agree.
[00:05:11 - 00:05:12] The villains are here.
[00:05:12 - 00:05:13] It's not that bad.
[00:05:13 - 00:05:14] I agree.
[00:05:14 - 00:05:17] So it's good to see everybody back on screen, even if it is a little nostalgia bait.
[00:05:17 - 00:05:18] I know.
[00:05:18 - 00:05:22] I will say I didn't want to, I didn't want to feel something because I wanted to be
[00:05:22 - 00:05:25] cynical and hardened and not let nostalgia work on me.
[00:05:25 - 00:05:30] But having done, watch all these movies within like two weeks of each other, I was like,
[00:05:30 - 00:05:31] this is kind of fun.
[00:05:31 - 00:05:32] It's fun.
[00:05:32 - 00:05:33] Yeah.
[00:05:33 - 00:05:35] Like, is all the dialogue great?
[00:05:35 - 00:05:36] No.
[00:05:36 - 00:05:37] Are all the character moments great?
[00:05:37 - 00:05:40] No, but it's really good.
[00:05:40 - 00:05:45] But I think like, I don't know, I think that this is a situation, well actually I want to
[00:05:45 - 00:05:46] back up first.
[00:05:46 - 00:05:50] I think that Peter's identity being revealed and that first kind of like 20, 30 minutes
[00:05:50 - 00:05:52] of the movie is very good.
[00:05:52 - 00:05:55] I wanted to disagree with you, but I actually think I agree.
[00:05:55 - 00:06:01] Like I think he, I mean, some of it's funny, but he's dealing with a lot of like, man,
[00:06:01 - 00:06:02] this really sucks.
[00:06:02 - 00:06:05] Like it's kind of ruined my life.
[00:06:05 - 00:06:12] And like, it at least makes the spell mildly understandable even though I still think it's
[00:06:12 - 00:06:13] dumb.
[00:06:13 - 00:06:15] Like it makes sense that he would want to fix this for even his friends.
[00:06:15 - 00:06:16] Sure.
[00:06:16 - 00:06:18] I also just think it's like well edited.
[00:06:18 - 00:06:19] There's some great wonders in here randomly.
[00:06:19 - 00:06:20] True.
[00:06:20 - 00:06:21] They're pretty good.
[00:06:21 - 00:06:23] Um, but I don't know.
[00:06:23 - 00:06:25] I like that part of the movie.
[00:06:25 - 00:06:27] And then we get into all the other villains coming in.
[00:06:27 - 00:06:28] So.
[00:06:28 - 00:06:29] Yeah, I agree.
[00:06:29 - 00:06:34] I, and again, we haven't seen Brand New Day of Time recording, but hypothetically
[00:06:34 - 00:06:41] this movie feels like a great transition piece from kind of the, the bright Watts universe
[00:06:41 - 00:06:48] that we've created over the past two movies to this more dark mature Peter stuff goes down
[00:06:48 - 00:06:49] stuff goes down.
[00:06:49 - 00:06:54] Um, I think it's like, yeah, obviously Peter is outmatched here, which he ends up having
[00:06:54 - 00:06:56] two more Peters to help him.
[00:06:56 - 00:07:02] But like, yeah, he's outmatched and like he makes a decision in this movie, which
[00:07:02 - 00:07:05] ultimately causes a lot of trouble.
[00:07:05 - 00:07:06] True.
[00:07:06 - 00:07:10] And he doesn't send these villains back to die in their own universe.
[00:07:10 - 00:07:11] Yep.
[00:07:11 - 00:07:12] Which I like.
[00:07:12 - 00:07:13] I like that he did that.
[00:07:13 - 00:07:14] I like that he does it.
[00:07:14 - 00:07:16] And I also like their severe consequences for that action.
[00:07:16 - 00:07:17] There are.
[00:07:17 - 00:07:18] There are severe consequences.
[00:07:18 - 00:07:19] So let's dive into that.
[00:07:19 - 00:07:20] Let's do it.
[00:07:20 - 00:07:21] Let's get into it.
[00:07:21 - 00:07:22] And it may dies.
[00:07:22 - 00:07:23] Biggest consequence.
[00:07:23 - 00:07:25] Out the hands of Willem DeFell.
[00:07:25 - 00:07:29] This is, yeah, which is kind of crazy if you think about it, but then it also
[00:07:29 - 00:07:31] makes sense within the context of the movie.
[00:07:31 - 00:07:32] Right.
[00:07:32 - 00:07:35] I like the line with great power comes great responsibility.
[00:07:35 - 00:07:36] Here is my biggest problem with this scene.
[00:07:36 - 00:07:37] Okay.
[00:07:37 - 00:07:38] And by the way, Tom Holland.
[00:07:38 - 00:07:41] Oh, he washes very good in this movie.
[00:07:41 - 00:07:42] It.
[00:07:42 - 00:07:43] Yes.
[00:07:43 - 00:07:44] In these heavy dramatic scenes.
[00:07:44 - 00:07:46] Oh my gosh, he's so good.
[00:07:46 - 00:07:47] I also watched this with my wife.
[00:07:47 - 00:07:48] Did she die?
[00:07:48 - 00:07:52] When Aunt May died, I just heard a little sniffle and I looked over.
[00:07:52 - 00:07:53] There were tears.
[00:07:53 - 00:07:54] It's okay.
[00:07:54 - 00:07:55] So.
[00:07:55 - 00:07:56] Yeah.
[00:07:56 - 00:07:59] My biggest problem, and this is what I'm talking about where it
[00:07:59 - 00:08:03] highlights the problem with the other trill or the rest of the trilogy is Aunt May has
[00:08:03 - 00:08:06] been this like plucky hot aunt.
[00:08:06 - 00:08:07] Yeah.
[00:08:07 - 00:08:08] You're right.
[00:08:08 - 00:08:09] You're right.
[00:08:09 - 00:08:10] The whole movie or for a whole trilogy, really.
[00:08:10 - 00:08:11] Yeah.
[00:08:11 - 00:08:18] And then in this movie, it's not a pivot, but Loki, I mean, it is like you
[00:08:18 - 00:08:24] see her at the like a banquet for the homeless in far from home.
[00:08:24 - 00:08:29] And that's the only hint of like, Oh, Aunt May likes to do a philanthropy or whatever.
[00:08:29 - 00:08:30] And she likes to help people.
[00:08:30 - 00:08:31] Yes.
[00:08:31 - 00:08:37] And then in no way home, she's running feasts and you just expect her to like, I think it's
[00:08:37 - 00:08:41] hard for the audience to track because we haven't built up to like any of this.
[00:08:41 - 00:08:44] And then she's like super morally sound.
[00:08:44 - 00:08:47] Not saying she wasn't in homecoming and far from home, but we didn't see it.
[00:08:47 - 00:08:51] There's a lack of fleshing out for Aunt May and really Peter's relationship.
[00:08:51 - 00:08:55] Like, is it funny when she finds out he's Spiderman at the end of the homecoming?
[00:08:55 - 00:08:56] Yes.
[00:08:56 - 00:08:58] But we don't actually see that conversation play out.
[00:08:58 - 00:09:00] We don't actually get those moments between them.
[00:09:00 - 00:09:03] I mean, they barely interact in far from home.
[00:09:03 - 00:09:07] Like, honestly, Aunt May and happy are just kind of like a comedy point in that
[00:09:07 - 00:09:08] whole movie.
[00:09:08 - 00:09:09] So I don't know.
[00:09:09 - 00:09:14] I just think that, yes, I see where you're coming from of like if we had had some more
[00:09:14 - 00:09:17] build up, this death would actually hit really, really hard.
[00:09:17 - 00:09:19] And like, I think it still hits hard, but I think it's carried by Marissa
[00:09:19 - 00:09:22] Tomei and Tom Hall's performance more than anything.
[00:09:22 - 00:09:24] Which is, they're both great.
[00:09:24 - 00:09:27] They both kill it.
[00:09:27 - 00:09:32] I think that that moment really makes the movie for me, if anything.
[00:09:32 - 00:09:35] I mean, there's moments at the end that I really like.
[00:09:35 - 00:09:38] But if that moment wasn't in this movie, I would think this is just pure nostalgia
[00:09:38 - 00:09:39] bait.
[00:09:39 - 00:09:40] Yeah, I agree.
[00:09:40 - 00:09:41] Yeah.
[00:09:41 - 00:09:42] If there were no consequences, it was pure.
[00:09:42 - 00:09:43] Oh my gosh.
[00:09:43 - 00:09:48] It's Doc Ock and Alameda Foe and JB Fox and all the things.
[00:09:48 - 00:09:49] Yes.
[00:09:49 - 00:09:51] So what do you think about The Spider-Man?
[00:09:51 - 00:09:56] Again, I wanted to be cynical, but I'm like, I like all of them here.
[00:09:56 - 00:09:57] This is fun.
[00:09:57 - 00:10:03] I think, and maybe it's because it's been memed into oblivion and I've seen it four
[00:10:03 - 00:10:08] times probably at this point, but all the conversations that they have, I felt were
[00:10:08 - 00:10:10] like kind of fine.
[00:10:10 - 00:10:15] I think in the moment when like we're seeing this on screen for the first time, I'm
[00:10:15 - 00:10:16] like, oh wow, this is so funny.
[00:10:16 - 00:10:17] There's a reference.
[00:10:17 - 00:10:18] And there's a reference.
[00:10:18 - 00:10:20] This is great to see these characters on screen.
[00:10:20 - 00:10:23] Once that wears off, the conversations are a little like, you're kind of like, this is
[00:10:23 - 00:10:27] just, it's not exciting or it's not interesting enough.
[00:10:27 - 00:10:28] It's just bland.
[00:10:28 - 00:10:29] I mean, there's still a few moments.
[00:10:29 - 00:10:34] Gosh, when, when Andrew Garfield Spider-Man calls Peter, it calls the Raimi Spider-Man,
[00:10:34 - 00:10:36] like he dressed like a cool youth faster.
[00:10:36 - 00:10:37] That was hilarious.
[00:10:37 - 00:10:38] I thought it was so funny.
[00:10:38 - 00:10:40] I mean, there's funny moments and quips in here.
[00:10:40 - 00:10:43] There's a funny moment where they're all pointing at each other.
[00:10:43 - 00:10:47] But like, I don't know, I think these characters actually kind of do function
[00:10:47 - 00:10:53] well as like mentor figures for Tom Holland's kind of, like within the movie, which I didn't
[00:10:53 - 00:10:56] think I would actually say, but I think I agree with what I just said.
[00:10:56 - 00:10:59] There was one moment that I absolutely loved.
[00:10:59 - 00:11:06] And it is when Toby stops Peter from killing Willem de Vau.
[00:11:06 - 00:11:08] And there's no dialogue there, which I think is also a good choice.
[00:11:08 - 00:11:10] Like, there's just a look of like, hey, don't do this, man.
[00:11:10 - 00:11:13] Like, I mean, again, Tom Holland's performance in this movie is great.
[00:11:13 - 00:11:19] I think in this scene specific, when he's fighting Green Goblin, so good.
[00:11:19 - 00:11:22] I think you just feel all of his emotions so well.
[00:11:22 - 00:11:29] And then I might have liked a little more build up or maybe maybe a little more turmoil
[00:11:29 - 00:11:33] in Peter's own soul, like, should I even fight him?
[00:11:33 - 00:11:36] Like, no, but I think I think he is so angry.
[00:11:36 - 00:11:37] He doesn't care.
[00:11:37 - 00:11:41] But that's the thing is like he goes out of his way to save every other person.
[00:11:41 - 00:11:42] That's true.
[00:11:42 - 00:11:45] And then as soon as Green Goblin is here, it's onside.
[00:11:45 - 00:11:46] Right.
[00:11:46 - 00:11:47] Which maybe is fine.
[00:11:47 - 00:11:48] You just kill Sam.
[00:11:48 - 00:11:49] Listen, that's a very nit-picky thing.
[00:11:49 - 00:11:52] Honestly, I would probably do the same as him.
[00:11:52 - 00:11:53] Yeah, I think I would.
[00:11:53 - 00:11:54] All right.
[00:11:54 - 00:11:55] I retract my statement.
[00:11:55 - 00:11:56] Okay.
[00:11:56 - 00:11:57] That's fine.
[00:11:57 - 00:11:58] We're allowed to do that.
[00:11:58 - 00:12:01] But the reason I love that it's Toby is because we haven't seen Andrew kill anybody.
[00:12:01 - 00:12:07] And Toby has killed, attempted to kill two people, kind of killed one.
[00:12:07 - 00:12:09] That being the robber in Remy 1.
[00:12:09 - 00:12:10] Yes.
[00:12:10 - 00:12:13] I evidently tried to kill Sandman.
[00:12:13 - 00:12:16] Sandman just was made of sand and couldn't die.
[00:12:16 - 00:12:23] But like we've seen this wrestle in Toby's arc and it's so satisfying to see him be like,
[00:12:23 - 00:12:25] hey, I have literally walked down this path twice.
[00:12:25 - 00:12:26] Do not.
[00:12:26 - 00:12:27] Like, it's not worth it.
[00:12:27 - 00:12:28] Yeah.
[00:12:28 - 00:12:29] I think it's so good.
[00:12:29 - 00:12:30] Yeah.
[00:12:30 - 00:12:33] I think maybe building off that, this is a gear shift a little bit, but how do you
[00:12:33 - 00:12:38] feel about this kind of gives more character resolution for the other Spider-Man?
[00:12:38 - 00:12:39] It's true.
[00:12:39 - 00:12:43] Let's start with Remy's, you know, Toby McWire Spider-Man.
[00:12:43 - 00:12:44] How do you feel about the resolution?
[00:12:44 - 00:12:48] Not resolution, but like a continuation of the character there.
[00:12:48 - 00:12:49] Yeah.
[00:12:49 - 00:12:50] I mean, I like it.
[00:12:50 - 00:12:55] I like that because I mean, it wasn't, I guess it wasn't ambiguous where MJ and Peter
[00:12:55 - 00:12:56] left off.
[00:12:56 - 00:13:00] Don't they have a scene where they have coffee or something?
[00:13:00 - 00:13:03] They're just seeing at the end of three where like, oh, like they're, they will
[00:13:03 - 00:13:05] get together or are getting together.
[00:13:05 - 00:13:06] There's ambiguity a little bit though.
[00:13:06 - 00:13:08] So I like that.
[00:13:08 - 00:13:09] That's kind of confirmed here.
[00:13:09 - 00:13:15] And I, I mean, again, I love the fact that Toby is kind of a mentor for both of them.
[00:13:15 - 00:13:18] For both of them kind of, but specifically for Tom.
[00:13:18 - 00:13:22] And then Andrew, what are your thoughts on the moment where he catches MJ?
[00:13:22 - 00:13:26] I think like on paper, I kind of want to hate it.
[00:13:26 - 00:13:27] I know.
[00:13:27 - 00:13:28] I agree.
[00:13:28 - 00:13:31] But like, maybe it is because we just watched all the movies because this is not Andrew's
[00:13:31 - 00:13:32] movie.
[00:13:32 - 00:13:33] True.
[00:13:33 - 00:13:36] But then again, it's a really good moment.
[00:13:36 - 00:13:37] It is a good moment.
[00:13:37 - 00:13:41] And like, is it a little bit just for the audience and for the Taz and fans?
[00:13:41 - 00:13:44] One million, billion percent.
[00:13:44 - 00:13:47] But then it's also a good moment.
[00:13:47 - 00:13:48] And Andrew Garfield's great.
[00:13:48 - 00:13:49] I agree.
[00:13:49 - 00:13:52] So I don't know.
[00:13:52 - 00:13:53] I think, yeah.
[00:13:53 - 00:14:02] I mean, again, I think this movie has a B plus plot, but it's carried by a solid
[00:14:02 - 00:14:04] A performance across the board.
[00:14:04 - 00:14:05] Yeah.
[00:14:05 - 00:14:06] But I'll also agree with that.
[00:14:07 - 00:14:12] I mean, the scene when Andrew comes in for the first time, even if it doesn't look
[00:14:12 - 00:14:15] perfect with some of the VFX in that scene, it's so funny.
[00:14:15 - 00:14:16] Yeah, I think it's great.
[00:14:16 - 00:14:21] So I also love, and this is just kind of a small thing, but I love that Toby beats
[00:14:21 - 00:14:22] Andrew in the fight.
[00:14:22 - 00:14:23] Oh, yeah, I think it's awesome.
[00:14:23 - 00:14:24] Yeah.
[00:14:24 - 00:14:25] Of course he would.
[00:14:25 - 00:14:26] He's like 40.
[00:14:26 - 00:14:27] Yeah.
[00:14:27 - 00:14:28] You're 27 or whatever.
[00:14:28 - 00:14:29] Yeah.
[00:14:29 - 00:14:30] No, I completely agree.
[00:14:30 - 00:14:32] I would say that this movie is a fun time.
[00:14:32 - 00:14:34] I agree.
[00:14:34 - 00:14:36] There are some actual good character payoff moments.
[00:14:37 - 00:14:39] And that's where we need to get into the end of this movie.
[00:14:39 - 00:14:40] Yeah.
[00:14:40 - 00:14:41] Oh, yeah.
[00:14:41 - 00:14:42] Which is Peter's big decision.
[00:14:43 - 00:14:44] We'll talk about it.
[00:14:44 - 00:14:48] But what do you think of Peter telling Dr. Strange like, hey, let everybody
[00:14:48 - 00:14:50] forget me within the context of this movie?
[00:14:50 - 00:14:52] I like it because I'm like, OK, Peter Lawrence lesson.
[00:14:53 - 00:15:00] And he finally realizes after three movies or at least is beginning to
[00:15:00 - 00:15:06] realize like that if he tells people his identity, he is putting
[00:15:06 - 00:15:07] them in danger.
[00:15:07 - 00:15:12] And yeah, which is I mean, the moment in the coffee shop, I think it's
[00:15:12 - 00:15:13] so good.
[00:15:13 - 00:15:14] I do think that is a very good moment.
[00:15:14 - 00:15:18] My name is Peter Parker and I want a coffee and he doesn't tell MJ again.
[00:15:18 - 00:15:19] Yeah, he puts the note back in his pocket.
[00:15:19 - 00:15:21] I think it's so good.
[00:15:21 - 00:15:24] I did think about in that moment, like this is the most awkward
[00:15:24 - 00:15:26] conversation for MJ.
[00:15:26 - 00:15:27] Yeah, you're like, who are you?
[00:15:27 - 00:15:30] I want to see a cut where it's just like from MJ's perspective.
[00:15:30 - 00:15:31] And it's just like so awkward.
[00:15:31 - 00:15:33] She's like having no music.
[00:15:33 - 00:15:35] A midday at work and this random guy comes in.
[00:15:35 - 00:15:38] It's like, hi, I'm Peter Parker.
[00:15:38 - 00:15:44] Like it's just like, OK, no, but it is a great moment, especially for Peter
[00:15:44 - 00:15:48] Parker. And again, again, I haven't seen her in a day, but with all the
[00:15:48 - 00:15:53] marketing, like this feels like a great transition piece.
[00:15:53 - 00:15:54] It really does. Yeah.
[00:15:54 - 00:15:55] Didn't think I would say that.
[00:15:55 - 00:15:58] I think this movie has some problems for sure.
[00:15:58 - 00:16:01] But as a Spider-Man movie, I think this is actually pretty strong.
[00:16:02 - 00:16:03] I would agree.
[00:16:03 - 00:16:05] I think the thing that gets me about his decision
[00:16:05 - 00:16:07] at the end is like, oh, yeah, what's your big plot hole point?
[00:16:09 - 00:16:11] I mean, I understand he makes the decision, but also like,
[00:16:11 - 00:16:16] dude, you could have had MJ and Ned still remember like you could have.
[00:16:17 - 00:16:19] Instead, he's just like, there's no other option.
[00:16:19 - 00:16:21] Everybody has to forget me.
[00:16:21 - 00:16:25] Yeah, but didn't he try that and it blew up the world?
[00:16:25 - 00:16:29] No. OK, actually, the spell was going fine until he tried to add
[00:16:29 - 00:16:30] a happy in that is true.
[00:16:30 - 00:16:34] So I just like, OK, everybody can forget me,
[00:16:34 - 00:16:39] except for Ned and MJ and the spell would have worked.
[00:16:39 - 00:16:41] But then again, like maybe from a character perspective,
[00:16:41 - 00:16:45] it's better that he chose to go through emotional turmoil
[00:16:46 - 00:16:47] in the next movie. I don't know.
[00:16:47 - 00:16:49] I think it is, but I kind of agree with you.
[00:16:49 - 00:16:51] Again, I think my biggest problem with this movie
[00:16:51 - 00:16:53] is Dr. Strange and the whole magic thing.
[00:16:53 - 00:16:56] And that's kind of the catalyst.
[00:16:56 - 00:16:57] I think it's dumb. I think it's stupid.
[00:16:59 - 00:17:03] It feels like, oh, there's an MCU regular in this movie.
[00:17:03 - 00:17:05] And again, like I'm at this point, we're sick of that.
[00:17:06 - 00:17:09] We've had Iron Man, Nick Fury, Maria Hill
[00:17:11 - 00:17:14] and now Dr. Strange and now Bruce Banner for a moment.
[00:17:15 - 00:17:17] Maybe again, haven't seen Brand New Day yet.
[00:17:17 - 00:17:18] I don't know. Yeah, it's true.
[00:17:18 - 00:17:22] But I still think this is a positive Spider-Man experience.
[00:17:22 - 00:17:25] I think this is a good movie.
[00:17:25 - 00:17:26] And I kind of agree.
[00:17:26 - 00:17:29] I think you have to consider the context of all the Spider-Man movies
[00:17:29 - 00:17:31] and then also the MCU.
[00:17:31 - 00:17:32] I think within that context, it's a good movie.
[00:17:33 - 00:17:35] So, is it time?
[00:17:35 - 00:17:36] I think it's time.
[00:17:36 - 00:17:37] Spider-Man Ranking.
[00:17:37 - 00:17:38] Spider-Man Ranking.
[00:17:38 - 00:17:39] Do you know them off the down?
[00:17:39 - 00:17:44] We currently have in our ranking Spider-Man 2 at 1.
[00:17:44 - 00:17:44] Yes.
[00:17:44 - 00:17:46] We have Spider-Man 1 at 2.
[00:17:46 - 00:17:51] We have Tazm at 3.
[00:17:51 - 00:17:54] We have Tazm 2 at 4.
[00:17:54 - 00:17:55] OK.
[00:17:55 - 00:17:56] Homecoming at 5.
[00:17:56 - 00:17:58] Far from home, 6.
[00:17:58 - 00:17:59] Yup.
[00:18:00 - 00:18:01] Raimi 3.
[00:18:01 - 00:18:02] At 7.
[00:18:02 - 00:18:03] At 7.
[00:18:03 - 00:18:04] I'm OK with this ranking.
[00:18:04 - 00:18:06] I don't fully agree with where Homecoming is, but that's OK.
[00:18:06 - 00:18:08] I don't think I fully agree with where Far From Home is,
[00:18:08 - 00:18:09] but that's also fine.
[00:18:09 - 00:18:10] That's also OK.
[00:18:10 - 00:18:11] We'll meet in the middle on those.
[00:18:11 - 00:18:12] We will.
[00:18:12 - 00:18:14] I think let's just go from bottom up.
[00:18:14 - 00:18:15] I agree.
[00:18:15 - 00:18:16] No Way Home is Better Than Spider-Man 3.
[00:18:16 - 00:18:17] This is way better than Spider-Man 3.
[00:18:17 - 00:18:19] No Way Home is Better Than Far From Home.
[00:18:19 - 00:18:20] Yes.
[00:18:20 - 00:18:22] No Way Home is Better Than Homecoming.
[00:18:22 - 00:18:23] I think it is.
[00:18:23 - 00:18:25] Wow, I did not expect to say that.
[00:18:25 - 00:18:28] I would say the moments are overall better.
[00:18:28 - 00:18:29] I think it's better.
[00:18:29 - 00:18:32] I think Homecoming is a little bit more cohesive.
[00:18:32 - 00:18:33] Yeah.
[00:18:33 - 00:18:35] But I'm OK with that.
[00:18:35 - 00:18:38] No Way Home is Better Than The Amazing Spider-Man 2.
[00:18:41 - 00:18:42] I don't think it is.
[00:18:42 - 00:18:43] I think it is.
[00:18:43 - 00:18:44] OK, why?
[00:18:44 - 00:18:46] I think the lows are not as low.
[00:18:46 - 00:18:49] And the highs are almost as high.
[00:18:55 - 00:18:56] Maybe.
[00:18:57 - 00:18:58] I don't know.
[00:18:58 - 00:19:02] The highs are higher than anything else.
[00:19:02 - 00:19:03] I would say.
[00:19:03 - 00:19:04] In the Home Trilogy.
[00:19:04 - 00:19:12] I also think that, like, I mean it's kind of difficult too because for most of the audience,
[00:19:12 - 00:19:16] this movie works because people have seen Taza movies and Raimi movies.
[00:19:16 - 00:19:17] True.
[00:19:17 - 00:19:18] But, like, we can't knock.
[00:19:18 - 00:19:21] Yeah, I don't think that's fair to factor in.
[00:19:22 - 00:19:27] I think Zeth is better than M.J.
[00:19:27 - 00:19:28] Or not M.J.
[00:19:28 - 00:19:29] May's death.
[00:19:29 - 00:19:30] Yeah, that's fine.
[00:19:30 - 00:19:31] OK.
[00:19:31 - 00:19:32] I agree with that.
[00:19:32 - 00:19:34] But I think May's death is very good.
[00:19:34 - 00:19:35] I agree.
[00:19:35 - 00:19:36] I think it is.
[00:19:36 - 00:19:37] I think No Way Home is better than Tazm 2.
[00:19:37 - 00:19:39] And I don't think it's better than Tazm 1.
[00:19:42 - 00:19:43] I think I can agree.
[00:19:43 - 00:19:44] OK.
[00:19:44 - 00:19:47] So you're OK with putting No Way Home in the four slot?
[00:19:47 - 00:19:49] I think I disagree with my personal ranking.
[00:19:49 - 00:19:52] We need to reveal our personal rankings after brand new day.
[00:19:52 - 00:19:54] Yeah, we can do that despite my haptics episode.
[00:19:54 - 00:19:55] OK.
[00:19:55 - 00:19:56] All right.
[00:19:56 - 00:19:57] I like that.
[00:19:57 - 00:19:58] All right.
[00:19:58 - 00:19:59] I'm OK with that in the four slot though.
[00:19:59 - 00:20:00] I think that is good.
[00:20:00 - 00:20:01] I do too.
[00:20:01 - 00:20:04] I feel like some people are going to hate us in the comments.
[00:20:04 - 00:20:05] But that's fine.
[00:20:05 - 00:20:06] That's OK.
[00:20:06 - 00:20:07] That's fine.
[00:20:07 - 00:20:09] Our personal rating for Still My Line.
[00:20:09 - 00:20:10] Yeah.
[00:20:10 - 00:20:11] Where do you feel about this movie?
[00:20:11 - 00:20:12] I think I know where I stand.
[00:20:12 - 00:20:13] I'm going to say Blu-ray.
[00:20:13 - 00:20:14] Really?
[00:20:14 - 00:20:15] Yeah.
[00:20:15 - 00:20:16] I was going to say theater.
[00:20:16 - 00:20:17] OK.
[00:20:17 - 00:20:18] Oh, it was such a great theater.
[00:20:18 - 00:20:20] It was a great experience in a theater with everybody.
[00:20:20 - 00:20:21] I agree.
[00:20:21 - 00:20:23] Yeah, I think theater's fine.
[00:20:23 - 00:20:28] I think by all Blu-ray is still good if you're like a Spider-Man fan for sure.
[00:20:28 - 00:20:35] But I'm just thinking like I mean for better or for worse No Way Home feels like the
[00:20:35 - 00:20:39] the end of kind of this entire marathon that we've done.
[00:20:39 - 00:20:40] Yeah.
[00:20:40 - 00:20:46] Like all the arc kind of wrap up at least kind of.
[00:20:46 - 00:20:47] So this feels very final.
[00:20:47 - 00:20:49] So I'm like of course I would want to own that.
[00:20:49 - 00:20:54] If I own Rami 1 through 3 and Tasm 1 and 2 and.
[00:20:54 - 00:20:55] Homecoming?
[00:20:55 - 00:20:56] Homecoming.
[00:20:56 - 00:20:57] I'll chuck in No Way Home.
[00:20:57 - 00:21:00] But I think theater is a more realistic approach.
[00:21:00 - 00:21:01] OK.
[00:21:01 - 00:21:02] All right.
[00:21:02 - 00:21:03] I forget about that.
[00:21:03 - 00:21:04] For sure.
[00:21:04 - 00:21:05] All right.
[00:21:05 - 00:21:06] You're at a party.
[00:21:06 - 00:21:07] I'm at a party.
[00:21:07 - 00:21:08] It's a show birthday party.
[00:21:08 - 00:21:09] OK.
[00:21:09 - 00:21:10] There's no one there that you really know.
[00:21:10 - 00:21:11] OK.
[00:21:11 - 00:21:12] You don't even really know why you got invited.
[00:21:12 - 00:21:14] I guess the person just wanted another gift card.
[00:21:14 - 00:21:18] No Way Home is on the TV in the other room when everybody else is talking in the kitchen.
[00:21:18 - 00:21:20] What are you doing?
[00:21:20 - 00:21:24] I'll probably go watch No Way Home.
[00:21:24 - 00:21:27] What part of No Way Home are we at?
[00:21:27 - 00:21:34] Let's say we are like we're in the scene where they're in Happy's apartment I think.
[00:21:34 - 00:21:37] He's like trying to heal everybody but he's about to sense the green goblin and everything's
[00:21:37 - 00:21:38] about to go down.
[00:21:38 - 00:21:39] Yeah I'm watching No Way Home.
[00:21:39 - 00:21:40] OK.
[00:21:40 - 00:21:41] OK.
[00:21:41 - 00:21:42] I feel good about that.
[00:21:42 - 00:21:46] The scene where he's punching Willem Dafoe and Willem Dafoe's just like smiling the whole
[00:21:46 - 00:21:47] time.
[00:21:47 - 00:21:48] That whole sequence is actually really good.
[00:21:48 - 00:21:49] So good.
[00:21:49 - 00:21:51] I think the scene where he like starts sensing something.
[00:21:51 - 00:21:53] The dolly zoom there is sick.
[00:21:53 - 00:21:54] Yes.
[00:21:54 - 00:21:55] And then it's green goblin.
[00:21:55 - 00:21:58] But by the way that makes it like maybe it's because he actually had Spidey sense
[00:21:58 - 00:22:02] progression in Far From Home so maybe I'm about to hate what I'm going to say.
[00:22:02 - 00:22:06] But like it kind of makes all of his lack of Spidey sense with Mysterio at the
[00:22:06 - 00:22:08] beginning of Far From Home look really stupid.
[00:22:08 - 00:22:09] Yeah.
[00:22:09 - 00:22:12] But then again his Spidey sense gets better in Far From Home.
[00:22:12 - 00:22:13] So actually just.
[00:22:13 - 00:22:14] Yeah.
[00:22:14 - 00:22:18] Because I guess he was just like sensing the fact that he changed personalities.
[00:22:18 - 00:22:19] I guess so.
[00:22:19 - 00:22:22] I don't know if that makes a lot of sense but that's OK.
[00:22:22 - 00:22:23] Still a really cool moment.
[00:22:23 - 00:22:24] It's a cool moment.
[00:22:24 - 00:22:25] We'll let it slide.
[00:22:25 - 00:22:26] We'll let it slide.
[00:22:26 - 00:22:29] Anything else you want to add for No Way Home?
[00:22:29 - 00:22:30] I don't think so.
[00:22:30 - 00:22:32] I don't think I can express to you audience.
[00:22:32 - 00:22:33] Again.
[00:22:33 - 00:22:34] I haven't seen Brand New Day.
[00:22:34 - 00:22:36] How excited I am for this dang movie.
[00:22:36 - 00:22:37] I.
[00:22:37 - 00:22:39] I think I've warmed up on my excitement.
[00:22:39 - 00:22:43] I think I'm more excited than I have been for any movie that we've talked about on
[00:22:43 - 00:22:44] the podcast.
[00:22:44 - 00:22:49] I think my concerns of it being overstuffed of it being not as Spidey
[00:22:49 - 00:22:53] centered as it needs to be by which I mean bringing in too many other characters
[00:22:53 - 00:22:56] that are more like MCU regulars or whatever.
[00:22:56 - 00:23:01] I think those concerns still exist but currently the review the reviews are
[00:23:01 - 00:23:03] overall good I think.
[00:23:03 - 00:23:05] So we'll see where we land with it.
[00:23:05 - 00:23:08] Tune in Saturday for our Big Brand New Day episode.
[00:23:08 - 00:23:12] And watch our, this is kind of funny because our spoiler for your review is
[00:23:12 - 00:23:13] already out.
[00:23:13 - 00:23:14] I know.
[00:23:14 - 00:23:16] But watch that if you haven't already.
[00:23:16 - 00:23:18] Anything else we got coming up?
[00:23:18 - 00:23:20] I mean Spiderman is kind of wrapping up right now so.
[00:23:20 - 00:23:23] I know this is kind of sad but also I'm kind of glad.
[00:23:23 - 00:23:26] I'm not tired of watching movies but I'm a little tired of watching
[00:23:26 - 00:23:27] movies.
[00:23:27 - 00:23:30] Yeah we have Lanterns in August.
[00:23:30 - 00:23:33] We have Dune and Doomsday coming up in December.
[00:23:33 - 00:23:36] We have a bunch of RTE movies that are around the corner.
[00:23:36 - 00:23:38] Social Reckoning, Fjord.
[00:23:38 - 00:23:40] House of the Dragon is coming out right now.
[00:23:40 - 00:23:41] We're wrapping up soon.
[00:23:41 - 00:23:43] We're doing Clayface whenever it drops.
[00:23:43 - 00:23:45] Anything and everything.
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