# Did The Odyssey Silence the Doubters? - Fireside Discussion
# Transcribed 2026-07-22 07:07
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[00:00:00 - 00:00:07] To the internet camp that trashed this movie before they even saw it, I have one
[00:00:07 - 00:00:15] thing to say to you. Know your place and how does it feel to be humbled on a
[00:00:15 - 00:00:18] colossal scale?
[00:00:18 - 00:00:30] Grant, I have a nickname on this podcast.
[00:00:30 - 00:00:33] Yo, yes you do. Yes you do, Drew. What is that nickname?
[00:00:33 - 00:00:35] The nickname is Nolan Boy.
[00:00:35 - 00:00:38] Nolan Boy, how do you feel after seeing Nolan's opus?
[00:00:38 - 00:00:42] I don't know. I'm not saying that. I don't even hate that though. I'm not saying that.
[00:00:42 - 00:00:49] I feel justified because I have never once have I wavered on this movie.
[00:00:49 - 00:00:55] We are not beating the film bro allegation, Drew. It's bad. It's just getting worse.
[00:00:55 - 00:00:59] Look guys, I'm just saying, I said this was going to be good from day one.
[00:00:59 - 00:01:02] And everyone was like, oh, we don't know. We don't know how we feel about X, Y, and Z.
[00:01:02 - 00:01:06] And I'm like guys, this is going to be phenomenal.
[00:01:06 - 00:01:09] And nobody listened to me. And now the Odyssey is phenomenal.
[00:01:09 - 00:01:10] Nobody listened to us, not me.
[00:01:10 - 00:01:11] We called it. We called it.
[00:01:11 - 00:01:17] When we saw Avatar III in IMAX, which was a horrible watching experience mostly because
[00:01:17 - 00:01:20] we started that movie at like 1130, it was awful.
[00:01:20 - 00:01:24] But the best part of that experience was the seven minute Odyssey prologue we got.
[00:01:24 - 00:01:27] Which was actually the middle of the movie, but that's okay.
[00:01:27 - 00:01:33] It's not like a spoiler. It's like when they sack Troy or at least sneak into Troy.
[00:01:33 - 00:01:37] That seven minutes was incredible. And I was like, this is the movie.
[00:01:37 - 00:01:40] I'm circling on my calendar. I'm so stoked for this.
[00:01:40 - 00:01:43] And then everybody was like, but I don't know about the Odyssey.
[00:01:43 - 00:01:46] And we'll dig into that. We will talk about that here.
[00:01:46 - 00:01:49] But I was like, man, I remember that seven minute prologue was pretty freaking good.
[00:01:49 - 00:01:50] Incredible.
[00:01:50 - 00:01:53] And then I watched the whole almost three hour movie.
[00:01:53 - 00:01:54] Pretty freaking good.
[00:01:54 - 00:02:02] Every single person, every, from freaking Nolan to the PA on set,
[00:02:02 - 00:02:07] delivered on a exponential level compared to any of their peers.
[00:02:07 - 00:02:09] Absolute cinema. This is why we're here.
[00:02:09 - 00:02:12] I have another statement that a lot of people are going to hate.
[00:02:12 - 00:02:13] And I don't even care at this point.
[00:02:13 - 00:02:13] Okay, just say it.
[00:02:13 - 00:02:18] Nolan is the best working director, period, point blank.
[00:02:18 - 00:02:20] This movie cements that.
[00:02:20 - 00:02:22] I can hear, are you missed for others?
[00:02:22 - 00:02:25] But like, he's just at the top of his craft right now.
[00:02:25 - 00:02:27] And I felt that way after Oppenheimer. I did.
[00:02:27 - 00:02:28] Like, I like Oppenheimer.
[00:02:28 - 00:02:29] Right, Oppenheimer.
[00:02:29 - 00:02:30] I know you don't like it as much.
[00:02:30 - 00:02:31] I don't.
[00:02:31 - 00:02:33] I was like, Nolan is killing it right now.
[00:02:33 - 00:02:34] He needs to keep doing what he's doing.
[00:02:34 - 00:02:36] And then three years later, he kept killing it
[00:02:36 - 00:02:38] and kept doing what he was doing.
[00:02:38 - 00:02:41] I mean, on a technical level, this movie is phenomenal.
[00:02:41 - 00:02:42] This movie is literally groundbreaking.
[00:02:42 - 00:02:43] And we'll get into that in a second.
[00:02:43 - 00:02:48] But I mean, this movie is innovative in the right ways,
[00:02:48 - 00:02:48] I would say.
[00:02:48 - 00:02:49] It's insane.
[00:02:49 - 00:02:53] For the next two-ish minutes, we're not going to spoil it.
[00:02:53 - 00:02:55] And then we'll get into our opinion
[00:02:55 - 00:02:56] on basically everything about this movie.
[00:02:56 - 00:02:57] Yeah.
[00:02:57 - 00:02:58] So if you haven't seen The Odyssey,
[00:02:58 - 00:02:59] like, watch the next two minutes,
[00:02:59 - 00:03:01] and then we'll say, here are spoilers.
[00:03:01 - 00:03:03] Go do your own thing.
[00:03:03 - 00:03:03] Right.
[00:03:03 - 00:03:05] Welcome back to Swirl My Line, a fireside film podcast.
[00:03:05 - 00:03:06] We're back.
[00:03:06 - 00:03:06] I'm Grant.
[00:03:06 - 00:03:08] And I'm Drew.
[00:03:08 - 00:03:12] The Odyssey, Drew, your brief non-spoiler thoughts.
[00:03:12 - 00:03:13] This is going to be a bit of a glazefest,
[00:03:13 - 00:03:16] but there are contentious points with The Odyssey, by the way,
[00:03:16 - 00:03:17] that we will talk about in this episode.
[00:03:17 - 00:03:18] We're not just going to glaze it.
[00:03:18 - 00:03:21] And I do have not necessarily a criticism,
[00:03:21 - 00:03:24] but one thing that I'm like, I don't know if I like this.
[00:03:24 - 00:03:26] And that we are off our first viewing.
[00:03:26 - 00:03:27] So we'll get into it.
[00:03:27 - 00:03:29] Yeah, this is, there might be some recency bias here.
[00:03:29 - 00:03:32] I literally got out of the theater like an hour ago.
[00:03:32 - 00:03:33] I saw it earlier today as well.
[00:03:33 - 00:03:35] Drew, your non-spoiler thoughts go.
[00:03:35 - 00:03:36] I think it's phenomenal.
[00:03:36 - 00:03:42] I think, I mean, I have watched probably 30 interviews
[00:03:42 - 00:03:45] at this point, and I'm aware that not everyone has.
[00:03:45 - 00:03:48] So I'm just kind of going to be regurgitating some facts.
[00:03:48 - 00:03:49] Shot entirely on IMAX.
[00:03:49 - 00:03:52] With new IMAX cameras deal there.
[00:03:52 - 00:03:54] So I saw it in IMAX.
[00:03:54 - 00:03:55] Did you?
[00:03:55 - 00:03:55] Yes.
[00:03:55 - 00:03:57] Yeah, absolutely incredible.
[00:03:57 - 00:03:58] Yes, I did.
[00:03:58 - 00:04:00] I figured you did, but absolutely incredible.
[00:04:00 - 00:04:03] I also found out that we're close to two of the IMAX
[00:04:03 - 00:04:04] like projection theaters.
[00:04:04 - 00:04:04] I know.
[00:04:04 - 00:04:06] I kind of want to drive like an hour and a half
[00:04:06 - 00:04:07] to see in the 70mm.
[00:04:07 - 00:04:09] We might do that.
[00:04:09 - 00:04:09] But we'll see.
[00:04:09 - 00:04:10] If we do it, we'll document it.
[00:04:10 - 00:04:11] Yeah, we will.
[00:04:11 - 00:04:12] That's a good idea.
[00:04:12 - 00:04:14] That's a great idea.
[00:04:14 - 00:04:14] So while I'm roadtripping.
[00:04:14 - 00:04:15] OK, so I keep going.
[00:04:15 - 00:04:16] We're doing it.
[00:04:16 - 00:04:18] Squirrels.
[00:04:18 - 00:04:20] OK, so yeah, shot entirely on IMAX.
[00:04:20 - 00:04:22] This is the first movie in history to ever do that.
[00:04:22 - 00:04:23] Yes.
[00:04:23 - 00:04:27] And I mean, the amount of practical effects here
[00:04:27 - 00:04:30] and the amount of just like raw filmmaking,
[00:04:30 - 00:04:33] almost guerrilla style that this movie achieves
[00:04:33 - 00:04:38] with massive IMAX cameras that have brand new never
[00:04:38 - 00:04:40] used technology equipped to them.
[00:04:40 - 00:04:43] I mean, there's these freaking giant boxes
[00:04:43 - 00:04:44] that they're lugging around these ships.
[00:04:44 - 00:04:47] I mean, the level of craft this movie achieves in the ocean.
[00:04:47 - 00:04:48] They are on the ocean.
[00:04:48 - 00:04:49] It's crazy.
[00:04:49 - 00:04:52] The level of craft this movie achieves is unbelievable.
[00:04:52 - 00:04:54] And I don't know if, I mean, there
[00:04:54 - 00:04:56] are other movies who have giant levels of craft.
[00:04:56 - 00:04:58] But this is up there with those.
[00:04:58 - 00:05:01] Yeah, the scale and production value of this movie
[00:05:01 - 00:05:01] is incredible.
[00:05:02 - 00:05:04] That alone, if the story was buns,
[00:05:04 - 00:05:06] that is worth the price of admission.
[00:05:06 - 00:05:06] It is, yes.
[00:05:06 - 00:05:08] And Newsflash, story, not buns.
[00:05:08 - 00:05:09] Yes.
[00:05:09 - 00:05:11] Is it Nolan's best story?
[00:05:11 - 00:05:11] No.
[00:05:11 - 00:05:12] I don't think it is.
[00:05:12 - 00:05:13] We'll get into that.
[00:05:13 - 00:05:17] But more spoiler free thoughts before I'll say some too.
[00:05:17 - 00:05:18] You go, you go, you go.
[00:05:18 - 00:05:19] OK.
[00:05:19 - 00:05:22] This is, I think, there's a lot around this movie
[00:05:22 - 00:05:25] like, was this, is this worth the hype?
[00:05:25 - 00:05:26] Right.
[00:05:26 - 00:05:28] Does it meet the hype?
[00:05:28 - 00:05:32] So I've been to a lot of movies over the past, you know,
[00:05:32 - 00:05:33] let's say 15 years.
[00:05:33 - 00:05:34] Sure.
[00:05:34 - 00:05:37] Only a handful have people clapped or cheered.
[00:05:37 - 00:05:39] Yep.
[00:05:39 - 00:05:41] I'll list off a few of those.
[00:05:41 - 00:05:43] I think Endgame, Spireman, and Nolan Home.
[00:05:43 - 00:05:46] Those are the two I'm going to vault out there for right now.
[00:05:46 - 00:05:47] I think, I don't know if there's
[00:05:47 - 00:05:49] a lot of others that people have.
[00:05:49 - 00:05:50] And not like at the end of the movie,
[00:05:50 - 00:05:54] oh, the movie is good, like in the movie Ovation.
[00:05:54 - 00:05:57] Those two movies, Endgame, Noah Home,
[00:05:57 - 00:06:02] had decades of filmmaking and characters before them, right?
[00:06:02 - 00:06:05] And so you're kind of like, OK, this is a huge moment.
[00:06:05 - 00:06:07] And I've been with this character for so long.
[00:06:07 - 00:06:10] And the resolution was good, that TBD on that.
[00:06:10 - 00:06:13] But like, there were reasons to clap.
[00:06:13 - 00:06:18] In the Odyssey, by the way, a lot of people in the theater
[00:06:18 - 00:06:20] know virtually nothing about the Odyssey.
[00:06:20 - 00:06:21] True.
[00:06:21 - 00:06:27] There are moments so good after just a three-hour span
[00:06:27 - 00:06:28] that people are cheering.
[00:06:28 - 00:06:29] Yeah.
[00:06:29 - 00:06:29] I'm in the theater.
[00:06:29 - 00:06:31] People are cheering.
[00:06:31 - 00:06:35] That's just, it's so rare.
[00:06:35 - 00:06:37] And people say, oh, well, Endgame did it.
[00:06:37 - 00:06:39] Endgame did it after 20 movies before.
[00:06:39 - 00:06:40] Yeah.
[00:06:40 - 00:06:44] Odyssey did it in three hours.
[00:06:44 - 00:06:45] That's crazy.
[00:06:45 - 00:06:48] I'm like, I can get into a lot.
[00:06:48 - 00:06:50] I am a huge fan of this movie.
[00:06:50 - 00:06:51] Is it movie of the year?
[00:06:51 - 00:06:52] I don't know.
[00:06:52 - 00:06:55] Like, is it the best movie I've seen in theaters?
[00:06:55 - 00:06:56] I don't know.
[00:06:56 - 00:07:00] But it's not those things.
[00:07:00 - 00:07:03] It is in that discussion.
[00:07:03 - 00:07:05] It's a must-see in IMAX.
[00:07:05 - 00:07:07] It's probably going to sell out IMAX theaters,
[00:07:07 - 00:07:11] or at least up until the front row, for three or four weeks.
[00:07:11 - 00:07:12] Which is crazy.
[00:07:12 - 00:07:16] This is an insane gamble from Warner Brothers.
[00:07:16 - 00:07:16] Is it Warner Brothers?
[00:07:16 - 00:07:17] Universal.
[00:07:17 - 00:07:19] Universal now, sorry.
[00:07:19 - 00:07:22] It's an insane gamble from them, and it's going to pay off.
[00:07:22 - 00:07:26] I mean, there's just so much in this movie that in some ways
[00:07:26 - 00:07:28] maybe shouldn't work, and it does.
[00:07:28 - 00:07:30] Like, there's just, it's so much great.
[00:07:30 - 00:07:32] If you're into movies, if you're not into movies,
[00:07:32 - 00:07:33] just go see it.
[00:07:33 - 00:07:36] Make a decision for yourself on it.
[00:07:36 - 00:07:38] We'll talk about all the stuff, all the conversation
[00:07:38 - 00:07:39] around this movie going into it.
[00:07:39 - 00:07:41] But that's where I am at as a personal film
[00:07:41 - 00:07:45] lover and a Nolan enthusiast.
[00:07:45 - 00:07:49] I think what's also crazy is that because of this job
[00:07:49 - 00:07:53] that we get to do so graciously because of y'all,
[00:07:53 - 00:07:54] we see a lot of movies.
[00:07:54 - 00:07:55] We do.
[00:07:55 - 00:07:58] We have been in theaters by ourselves completely.
[00:07:58 - 00:08:00] Did you go see Death of Robin Hood?
[00:08:00 - 00:08:01] If you did, great.
[00:08:01 - 00:08:02] Did you go see it?
[00:08:02 - 00:08:04] Did you see the sentimental value?
[00:08:04 - 00:08:07] We've been in theaters recently completely empty.
[00:08:07 - 00:08:10] And to see IMAX theaters, which
[00:08:10 - 00:08:13] are way bigger than normal, completely full
[00:08:13 - 00:08:15] is like a mind blowing thing.
[00:08:15 - 00:08:16] That's a lot of people.
[00:08:16 - 00:08:19] And how that go back to back to back to back
[00:08:19 - 00:08:21] on multiple showings.
[00:08:21 - 00:08:24] Like we went to different showings, same theater,
[00:08:24 - 00:08:24] but both full.
[00:08:24 - 00:08:25] Both full.
[00:08:25 - 00:08:26] Yep.
[00:08:26 - 00:08:27] It's insane.
[00:08:27 - 00:08:27] Yeah.
[00:08:27 - 00:08:32] It's an existing IP.
[00:08:32 - 00:08:33] I've actually read the Odyssey.
[00:08:33 - 00:08:34] I think we both have, right?
[00:08:34 - 00:08:36] Yeah, we did.
[00:08:36 - 00:08:39] But most people have not read the Odyssey.
[00:08:39 - 00:08:42] Most people don't know a lot about like, well,
[00:08:42 - 00:08:43] maybe Percy Jackson.
[00:08:43 - 00:08:44] Some people do know a lot about it.
[00:08:44 - 00:08:46] Bro, my Percy to Action Knowledge came back.
[00:08:46 - 00:08:47] It is helpful.
[00:08:47 - 00:08:49] I was like, I know who Calypso is.
[00:08:49 - 00:08:50] It's like, still got it.
[00:08:50 - 00:08:51] Mjolnir to the hand.
[00:08:51 - 00:08:54] Like, I remember who Poseidon is.
[00:08:54 - 00:08:57] But like, for this not to be an existing IP
[00:08:57 - 00:08:59] and for it to pack out in IMAX theaters, great.
[00:08:59 - 00:09:00] We're going long on the non spoilers,
[00:09:00 - 00:09:02] but this is a great movie.
[00:09:02 - 00:09:03] You should go watch it.
[00:09:03 - 00:09:03] Absolutely phenomenal.
[00:09:03 - 00:09:05] It lives up to the hype.
[00:09:05 - 00:09:07] Should we do our rating?
[00:09:07 - 00:09:07] Yeah, I think we should.
[00:09:07 - 00:09:08] OK.
[00:09:08 - 00:09:12] We are both in the camp that this is a watch on 2B
[00:09:12 - 00:09:13] if you can.
[00:09:13 - 00:09:14] Yeah, it's true.
[00:09:14 - 00:09:15] No.
[00:09:15 - 00:09:17] Go buy the 4K steel book when it comes out.
[00:09:17 - 00:09:18] Yep.
[00:09:18 - 00:09:19] Buy on Blu-ray.
[00:09:19 - 00:09:21] It's kind of where we're at.
[00:09:21 - 00:09:22] Maybe the easiest we've ever done.
[00:09:22 - 00:09:23] Yeah.
[00:09:23 - 00:09:26] If you have a gripe, I mean, this is also an argument
[00:09:26 - 00:09:28] for like theater experience is like so fair.
[00:09:28 - 00:09:29] Yeah.
[00:09:29 - 00:09:32] But also this like is a really awesome movie.
[00:09:32 - 00:09:33] Yeah.
[00:09:33 - 00:09:34] So I don't know.
[00:09:34 - 00:09:37] Anything else you want to add before we get into spoilers?
[00:09:37 - 00:09:37] I say we died.
[00:09:37 - 00:09:38] If you haven't seen the Odyssey,
[00:09:38 - 00:09:40] we're about to spoil the crap out of it.
[00:09:40 - 00:09:42] It's a 3,000 year old book, so like.
[00:09:42 - 00:09:45] Sure, I mean like the story is you know it.
[00:09:45 - 00:09:46] You should know it.
[00:09:46 - 00:09:49] And if you don't know it, a lot of other stories
[00:09:49 - 00:09:50] are the same.
[00:09:50 - 00:09:50] Do this.
[00:09:50 - 00:09:52] If you see no brother or art, though, you're like, oh wait,
[00:09:52 - 00:09:53] this is the same thing.
[00:09:53 - 00:09:54] That's the same thing.
[00:09:54 - 00:09:58] But yeah, we're going to spoil the movie and specifics, which
[00:09:58 - 00:10:00] I would say there are spoilers for this movie.
[00:10:00 - 00:10:00] Yeah.
[00:10:00 - 00:10:02] Let's open with this really briefly.
[00:10:02 - 00:10:05] Nolan, in all of his Nolan-ness,
[00:10:05 - 00:10:07] makes a puzzle out of this movie.
[00:10:07 - 00:10:07] He does.
[00:10:07 - 00:10:08] Which is awesome.
[00:10:08 - 00:10:09] Which is awesome.
[00:10:09 - 00:10:11] And like it's not the hardest puzzle.
[00:10:11 - 00:10:11] No.
[00:10:11 - 00:10:12] It's not the prestige.
[00:10:12 - 00:10:13] It's not inception.
[00:10:13 - 00:10:15] It's not tenet.
[00:10:15 - 00:10:16] It's for sure not tenet.
[00:10:16 - 00:10:21] But like Odysseus is trying to figure out his own story.
[00:10:21 - 00:10:22] True.
[00:10:22 - 00:10:24] And there's Time Skippage and all the stuff.
[00:10:24 - 00:10:25] What do you think of that, Drew?
[00:10:25 - 00:10:28] I loved it, and here's why.
[00:10:28 - 00:10:30] I loved that.
[00:10:30 - 00:10:33] I mean, there's a lot of themes in this movie.
[00:10:33 - 00:10:35] One of them I would say is storytelling.
[00:10:35 - 00:10:37] Like as an art form.
[00:10:37 - 00:10:38] Yes.
[00:10:38 - 00:10:40] There's obviously the barge.
[00:10:40 - 00:10:45] And like the way Nolan uses his non-linear storytelling,
[00:10:45 - 00:10:49] which he loves so dearly, is through storytelling.
[00:10:49 - 00:10:50] And I thought it was super interesting.
[00:10:50 - 00:10:51] Yes.
[00:10:51 - 00:10:54] It's like when people tell stories, that's when we go back.
[00:10:54 - 00:10:55] And it works.
[00:10:55 - 00:10:56] It doesn't feel like a plot device.
[00:10:56 - 00:10:58] No, I think it works very well.
[00:10:58 - 00:11:01] This is one of the easier Nolan movies to pick up on
[00:11:01 - 00:11:04] and be like, because it's so fluid and you're like, oh,
[00:11:04 - 00:11:06] wait, Anne Hathaway's talking about this event.
[00:11:06 - 00:11:08] OK, I know this happened in the past.
[00:11:08 - 00:11:11] I can track because I'm human and people
[00:11:11 - 00:11:12] have told me stories before.
[00:11:12 - 00:11:13] Yep.
[00:11:13 - 00:11:13] Yep.
[00:11:13 - 00:11:14] I completely agree.
[00:11:14 - 00:11:16] I mean, it's not the craziest puzzle,
[00:11:16 - 00:11:20] but I think it makes the story of Odysseus going back home
[00:11:20 - 00:11:21] a time more interesting.
[00:11:21 - 00:11:23] Because we could just pick up with, oh,
[00:11:23 - 00:11:25] Odysseus is leaving for the Church of War.
[00:11:25 - 00:11:28] And we go linearly, and it just wouldn't work as well.
[00:11:28 - 00:11:28] Agreed.
[00:11:28 - 00:11:30] I mean, it would be great if this movie was made the same way,
[00:11:30 - 00:11:31] but more linear.
[00:11:31 - 00:11:34] But I think it's in the edit, it's better.
[00:11:34 - 00:11:38] So yeah, this is definitely like an edit thing.
[00:11:38 - 00:11:40] Which basically everybody working on this movie
[00:11:40 - 00:11:42] has won an Oscar at this point.
[00:11:42 - 00:11:43] That's true.
[00:11:43 - 00:11:45] So everybody's pretty goaded here,
[00:11:45 - 00:11:47] at least on the technical end.
[00:11:47 - 00:11:49] Not all the actors, but a lot of them have, too.
[00:11:49 - 00:11:51] So I don't know.
[00:11:51 - 00:11:53] Your turn to talk about something with the movie.
[00:11:53 - 00:11:56] OK.
[00:11:56 - 00:11:57] Let's just get into the technical aspect.
[00:11:57 - 00:11:59] Yeah, let's do it.
[00:11:59 - 00:12:06] Cyclops, Syracuse Island, the Ocean Sequences.
[00:12:06 - 00:12:07] What are others?
[00:12:07 - 00:12:09] I mean, OK.
[00:12:09 - 00:12:10] Everything.
[00:12:10 - 00:12:11] Let's get into those three first.
[00:12:11 - 00:12:12] OK, let's start with the Cyclops.
[00:12:12 - 00:12:14] Puppet.
[00:12:14 - 00:12:17] But yeah, I mean, there's surely some CGI in there
[00:12:17 - 00:12:18] somewhere.
[00:12:18 - 00:12:20] I don't know.
[00:12:20 - 00:12:24] Listen, whatever they did, it freaking worked.
[00:12:24 - 00:12:27] I say this, having maybe heard it on a review,
[00:12:27 - 00:12:28] I don't know, so don't quote me this.
[00:12:28 - 00:12:31] I don't think there's any CGI in this movie.
[00:12:31 - 00:12:31] That's OK.
[00:12:31 - 00:12:34] That is not true.
[00:12:34 - 00:12:35] I don't know.
[00:12:35 - 00:12:37] Well, maybe.
[00:12:37 - 00:12:37] You know what?
[00:12:37 - 00:12:39] I don't have to buy the 4K Blu-ray.
[00:12:39 - 00:12:40] I don't know.
[00:12:40 - 00:12:41] And watch all the behind the scenes.
[00:12:41 - 00:12:44] I'm sure they have to get rid of some wires and stuff,
[00:12:44 - 00:12:45] like paint some stuff out.
[00:12:45 - 00:12:48] But know that everything you feel
[00:12:48 - 00:12:50] like you can reach out and touch.
[00:12:50 - 00:12:53] And that works so well for this movie.
[00:12:53 - 00:12:55] For something that feels so mythological
[00:12:55 - 00:12:58] and fantastical at times, for it
[00:12:58 - 00:13:02] to all look completely real, you're like, oh man,
[00:13:02 - 00:13:02] this is awesome.
[00:13:02 - 00:13:05] Yeah, it's awesome.
[00:13:05 - 00:13:07] I think all the effects here are phenomenal.
[00:13:07 - 00:13:12] I think when Circe is making Odysseus Men and the Pigs was
[00:13:12 - 00:13:13] freaking.
[00:13:13 - 00:13:15] Oh my gosh, it was gross.
[00:13:15 - 00:13:17] But it was so interesting.
[00:13:17 - 00:13:20] And I mean, even the way they were eating the food.
[00:13:20 - 00:13:21] Yeah.
[00:13:21 - 00:13:25] I think I could tell, but they were eating the food,
[00:13:25 - 00:13:26] but they were doing it in reverse.
[00:13:26 - 00:13:29] So it made it look like they were actually pulling out
[00:13:29 - 00:13:32] the food in real life, but it was going into them.
[00:13:32 - 00:13:33] It was super interesting.
[00:13:33 - 00:13:37] And like reaching into people's throats and like, ah.
[00:13:37 - 00:13:39] And then the Lysergonians.
[00:13:39 - 00:13:40] Crazy.
[00:13:40 - 00:13:40] Crazy.
[00:13:40 - 00:13:43] I know that most of that was like forced perspective and stuff.
[00:13:43 - 00:13:46] When the trees were moving, it was so sick.
[00:13:46 - 00:13:47] Oh my gosh.
[00:13:47 - 00:13:50] It's like so visually mind-boggling,
[00:13:50 - 00:13:52] but it worked so well.
[00:13:52 - 00:13:53] It's so sick.
[00:13:53 - 00:13:55] I mean.
[00:13:55 - 00:13:58] It's like two of the men get trapped in like a circle
[00:13:58 - 00:13:58] of trees.
[00:13:58 - 00:13:59] Yeah.
[00:13:59 - 00:14:02] And I was like in my brain, because I'm like cynical,
[00:14:02 - 00:14:05] and this was a stupid moment on my part.
[00:14:05 - 00:14:06] I was like, that's stupid.
[00:14:06 - 00:14:07] Why would they like walk into it?
[00:14:07 - 00:14:10] Then all the trees were moving, and you're like, oh my god.
[00:14:10 - 00:14:11] That's part of it.
[00:14:11 - 00:14:12] That's part of it.
[00:14:12 - 00:14:13] Oh yeah, that's awesome.
[00:14:13 - 00:14:15] So good.
[00:14:15 - 00:14:17] It's so good.
[00:14:17 - 00:14:18] Yeah, I would say that.
[00:14:18 - 00:14:20] I mean, there's so many awesome effects,
[00:14:20 - 00:14:22] but like really just like the landscapes.
[00:14:22 - 00:14:24] Yeah, I mean, there's so many geographies out of this world.
[00:14:24 - 00:14:28] The ocean, the forest, like every single thing,
[00:14:28 - 00:14:30] even though like, yeah, you could go outside
[00:14:30 - 00:14:32] and look at some of this stuff.
[00:14:32 - 00:14:36] If you live on a coast or in a mountainous region,
[00:14:36 - 00:14:37] I mean, one, we don't live in the Mediterranean,
[00:14:37 - 00:14:39] if you can't tell from our accents.
[00:14:39 - 00:14:43] But like it looks so sick on film
[00:14:43 - 00:14:45] and like every little detail, especially in IMAX,
[00:14:45 - 00:14:47] like it's so incredible.
[00:14:47 - 00:14:50] It's so incredible.
[00:14:50 - 00:14:52] One more moment that I have my jaw on the absolute floor.
[00:14:52 - 00:14:54] And this might have been in the prologue.
[00:14:54 - 00:14:56] I don't know.
[00:14:56 - 00:15:00] But the battle Troy.
[00:15:00 - 00:15:02] Like the first sacking or the second sacking?
[00:15:02 - 00:15:05] Like when they break in or when they sack in?
[00:15:05 - 00:15:06] OK, yeah.
[00:15:06 - 00:15:07] Which, A, is so sick.
[00:15:07 - 00:15:09] I mean, Ludwig Orsen, his score.
[00:15:09 - 00:15:11] The tension kills it.
[00:15:11 - 00:15:11] Oh my gosh.
[00:15:11 - 00:15:15] But when they open the gate and Agamemnon's silhouette
[00:15:15 - 00:15:17] is just there, it's so sick.
[00:15:17 - 00:15:20] That is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my entire life.
[00:15:20 - 00:15:22] It's the coolest thing he's ever looked in a movie.
[00:15:22 - 00:15:22] 100%, dude.
[00:15:22 - 00:15:25] Probably in his whole life.
[00:15:25 - 00:15:28] Oh, like Agamemnon, everyone's
[00:15:28 - 00:15:29] trashing on his armor like.
[00:15:29 - 00:15:31] No, it's sick.
[00:15:31 - 00:15:32] It is so sick.
[00:15:32 - 00:15:33] Yeah.
[00:15:33 - 00:15:34] So sick.
[00:15:34 - 00:15:36] He all reformed the whole movie.
[00:15:36 - 00:15:38] Oh my gosh.
[00:15:38 - 00:15:40] But there's an element to this movie
[00:15:40 - 00:15:44] that I think it feels so raw.
[00:15:44 - 00:15:46] They fight against the forces in real life.
[00:15:46 - 00:15:48] And then that's part of the movie of them fighting
[00:15:48 - 00:15:48] against the gods.
[00:15:48 - 00:15:51] And it just works so well for the movie.
[00:15:51 - 00:15:54] And I mean, to praise the performance for a second,
[00:15:54 - 00:15:57] it's like these guys are legitimately eating
[00:15:57 - 00:15:58] smacked by water.
[00:15:58 - 00:16:02] And Matt Damon is like skidding destroy this entire movie.
[00:16:02 - 00:16:05] And his performance is actually phenomenal.
[00:16:05 - 00:16:08] And by the way, he's jacked for how obvious.
[00:16:08 - 00:16:10] That is impressive.
[00:16:10 - 00:16:12] Matt, I know you're watching our podcast right now.
[00:16:12 - 00:16:13] Did you pump steroids?
[00:16:13 - 00:16:15] Just a question.
[00:16:15 - 00:16:16] I'm genuinely curious.
[00:16:16 - 00:16:17] Did you get that lean on your own,
[00:16:17 - 00:16:18] or did you blast steroids?
[00:16:18 - 00:16:20] I'm not sure.
[00:16:20 - 00:16:23] No, his performance is like, is it
[00:16:23 - 00:16:24] Oscar-winning?
[00:16:24 - 00:16:25] Probably not.
[00:16:25 - 00:16:26] I don't think it is.
[00:16:26 - 00:16:28] I think he's great.
[00:16:28 - 00:16:32] Did Nolan probably say, hey, look really intense
[00:16:32 - 00:16:33] off into the horizon?
[00:16:33 - 00:16:34] And he did that.
[00:16:34 - 00:16:37] Yes, that's probably what happened about.
[00:16:37 - 00:16:38] And it works.
[00:16:38 - 00:16:39] It was great.
[00:16:39 - 00:16:42] I think the physicality is where the performance really
[00:16:42 - 00:16:45] shines, more so than like, oh, he showed a lot of emotion.
[00:16:45 - 00:16:48] But then, you see, maybe Odysseus
[00:16:48 - 00:16:49] doesn't show that emotion.
[00:16:49 - 00:16:50] You know who does?
[00:16:50 - 00:16:51] Penelope.
[00:16:51 - 00:16:52] And Hathaway.
[00:16:52 - 00:16:54] You know who kills it on screen?
[00:16:54 - 00:16:55] Oh my gosh.
[00:16:55 - 00:16:57] You know who actually kills it on screen?
[00:16:57 - 00:17:01] In her like, brief time on screen, Zendaya as Athena does.
[00:17:01 - 00:17:03] If you're looking for emotion in performances,
[00:17:03 - 00:17:04] they're there.
[00:17:04 - 00:17:05] They are there.
[00:17:05 - 00:17:07] I mean, in Hathaway, look, I'm not
[00:17:07 - 00:17:08] going to say anything crazy.
[00:17:08 - 00:17:11] Well, I might.
[00:17:11 - 00:17:14] Andy Navarrete is now getting pushed for best actress.
[00:17:14 - 00:17:15] Which I think, oh, we got to talk about that.
[00:17:15 - 00:17:17] Which is like, fine.
[00:17:17 - 00:17:18] Wrong category, but whatever.
[00:17:18 - 00:17:19] I think it's good.
[00:17:19 - 00:17:22] Hypothetically, if she was best supporting actress,
[00:17:22 - 00:17:24] and I know screen time is like, crazy different.
[00:17:24 - 00:17:26] But Anne Hathaway, her performance here.
[00:17:26 - 00:17:27] It's killer.
[00:17:27 - 00:17:28] It's so good.
[00:17:28 - 00:17:31] It's the second Oscar in her future.
[00:17:31 - 00:17:31] Who knows?
[00:17:31 - 00:17:33] So good.
[00:17:33 - 00:17:37] I mean, the tension between her and Tom Holland,
[00:17:37 - 00:17:39] this whole movie is like.
[00:17:39 - 00:17:40] It's good.
[00:17:40 - 00:17:40] It's so good.
[00:17:40 - 00:17:41] It's really good.
[00:17:41 - 00:17:42] So good.
[00:17:42 - 00:17:43] Do you want to dive into casting?
[00:17:43 - 00:17:46] I have a few things I want to say.
[00:17:46 - 00:17:47] A lot of people have talked about two different things
[00:17:47 - 00:17:49] with this cast.
[00:17:49 - 00:17:51] The first thing, I think when
[00:17:51 - 00:17:53] we all saw the Odyssey be announced
[00:17:53 - 00:17:55] and the whole cast in general, you're like, wow,
[00:17:55 - 00:17:57] this cast is stacked and there's a lot of really famous people.
[00:17:57 - 00:17:59] Right.
[00:17:59 - 00:18:00] Does it work?
[00:18:00 - 00:18:02] I'm going to say yes, and here's why.
[00:18:02 - 00:18:05] This is the Odyssey, and there are a ton of characters.
[00:18:05 - 00:18:08] So to a certain extent, it kind of
[00:18:08 - 00:18:10] is a benefit to this movie that you can say
[00:18:10 - 00:18:12] Robert Pattinson's character.
[00:18:12 - 00:18:14] If you don't keep up with all the names,
[00:18:14 - 00:18:16] you know what Robert Pattinson looks like.
[00:18:16 - 00:18:18] You know what Tom Holland looks like.
[00:18:18 - 00:18:20] So it helps with keeping track of the characters,
[00:18:20 - 00:18:21] honestly.
[00:18:21 - 00:18:24] To me, which I knew the story, I knew the character,
[00:18:24 - 00:18:26] so that wasn't a problem, but I think it just
[00:18:26 - 00:18:27] helps the movie a little bit.
[00:18:27 - 00:18:28] Yeah.
[00:18:28 - 00:18:29] Thoughts on that?
[00:18:29 - 00:18:30] No, I agree.
[00:18:30 - 00:18:36] And I mean, the controversy, I mean,
[00:18:36 - 00:18:40] the amount of controversy this movie's had is kind of insane,
[00:18:40 - 00:18:42] but also knowing the internet is like, whatever.
[00:18:42 - 00:18:44] It's kind of hard for the course for me or not.
[00:18:44 - 00:18:46] Kind of hard for the course.
[00:18:46 - 00:18:48] One, it's weird that everyone was judging this movie
[00:18:48 - 00:18:49] without ever seeing it.
[00:18:49 - 00:18:50] That's stupid.
[00:18:50 - 00:18:51] That's the thing.
[00:18:51 - 00:18:56] Retroactive judging, we can dialogue, whatever.
[00:18:56 - 00:18:58] Everybody who's seen the movie said it was really good.
[00:18:58 - 00:19:01] B, is the cast stacked?
[00:19:01 - 00:19:04] Shouldn't all of them cast authentic Greek people?
[00:19:04 - 00:19:05] Like, maybe.
[00:19:05 - 00:19:07] But also, this is an interpretation.
[00:19:07 - 00:19:09] This is artistic.
[00:19:09 - 00:19:10] This is Hollywood.
[00:19:10 - 00:19:11] This is Hollywood.
[00:19:11 - 00:19:15] And I don't know.
[00:19:15 - 00:19:16] It's not that deep.
[00:19:16 - 00:19:20] Yeah, I think this movie is very stylized.
[00:19:20 - 00:19:24] If we're going, like, we want to be as realistic as possible.
[00:19:24 - 00:19:26] There would be no music in this movie.
[00:19:26 - 00:19:28] Like, let's be honest.
[00:19:28 - 00:19:30] Maybe speaking Greek.
[00:19:30 - 00:19:33] I think, I mean, we're just going to call it a spade.
[00:19:33 - 00:19:36] There's like this segment of the internet
[00:19:36 - 00:19:39] that says this movie is bad because of certain casting
[00:19:39 - 00:19:42] choices made.
[00:19:42 - 00:19:46] There's kind of a facade that people can hide behind,
[00:19:46 - 00:19:49] which is, like, it's not historically accurate.
[00:19:49 - 00:19:50] And that is all well and good.
[00:19:50 - 00:19:53] I think if you are really into Greek history
[00:19:53 - 00:19:56] or you are a Greek scholar, you have all the right
[00:19:56 - 00:19:59] to hate on this movie for historical accuracy.
[00:19:59 - 00:20:00] And I also think that's a valid criticism.
[00:20:00 - 00:20:01] Yeah, that's fair.
[00:20:01 - 00:20:03] Like, I can get behind that.
[00:20:03 - 00:20:06] But I think a lot of people, like, mask anger
[00:20:06 - 00:20:08] and just, like, disdain toward Hollywood with, like, oh,
[00:20:08 - 00:20:10] it's not historically accurate.
[00:20:10 - 00:20:11] When in reality, you don't get a crap
[00:20:11 - 00:20:14] about historical accuracy and you're just trying to hate.
[00:20:14 - 00:20:16] There's two actors in this movie.
[00:20:16 - 00:20:17] And, like, I'm not going to name names.
[00:20:17 - 00:20:20] Just, like, if you're on the internet, you know.
[00:20:20 - 00:20:24] I think people are singling these two people up
[00:20:24 - 00:20:28] and saying, like, either this is the movie is saying
[00:20:28 - 00:20:32] X, Y, Z about politics or whatever or, like, worldview.
[00:20:32 - 00:20:34] I don't think the movie is making a political statement
[00:20:34 - 00:20:34] at all.
[00:20:34 - 00:20:35] I agree.
[00:20:35 - 00:20:37] Like, casting is one thing.
[00:20:37 - 00:20:38] Casting is important, by the way.
[00:20:38 - 00:20:39] I agree.
[00:20:39 - 00:20:43] We've seen, for example, The Last of Us,
[00:20:43 - 00:20:46] which I like the show, at least the first season.
[00:20:46 - 00:20:47] I really like the games.
[00:20:47 - 00:20:50] There's controversy around that with Bella Ramsey as Ellie
[00:20:50 - 00:20:52] and how does that honor the character that people love
[00:20:52 - 00:20:55] from the games and stuff like that, which the casting is
[00:20:55 - 00:20:56] important.
[00:20:56 - 00:20:57] Casting matters.
[00:20:57 - 00:21:01] I think for this movie, the people that people get hung up
[00:21:01 - 00:21:03] on are not in this movie for very long.
[00:21:03 - 00:21:04] That is true.
[00:21:04 - 00:21:07] And so if you're, like, oh, that's
[00:21:07 - 00:21:08] going to ruin the movie for me,
[00:21:08 - 00:21:10] I really don't think it will if you're hung up on that.
[00:21:10 - 00:21:13] Like, if that's a trepidation, I don't
[00:21:13 - 00:21:17] think that that's going to ruin the movie for you.
[00:21:17 - 00:21:20] Don't hide behind, like, oh, it's not historically accurate.
[00:21:20 - 00:21:23] Because if it's, if you're really hung up on that,
[00:21:23 - 00:21:25] Matt Damon probably shouldn't play Odysseus.
[00:21:25 - 00:21:27] Like, that's probably not what Odysseus would look like.
[00:21:27 - 00:21:28] Little bit.
[00:21:28 - 00:21:30] Yeah, again, if we're going for historical accuracy,
[00:21:30 - 00:21:31] everybody should be Greek.
[00:21:31 - 00:21:32] Everybody should be speaking Greek.
[00:21:32 - 00:21:34] The armor wouldn't look that way.
[00:21:34 - 00:21:35] Yeah.
[00:21:35 - 00:21:37] But this is an artistic interpretation.
[00:21:37 - 00:21:43] And I think, like, storytelling as a whole,
[00:21:43 - 00:21:45] it kind of depends on what you're going for.
[00:21:45 - 00:21:48] And I would say that most directors are going for,
[00:21:48 - 00:21:51] how do I take these themes that I have found value in a story
[00:21:51 - 00:21:53] that I have written or that I have found
[00:21:53 - 00:21:59] and artistically express them in the best way humanly possible?
[00:21:59 - 00:22:01] And like, it's a choice.
[00:22:01 - 00:22:03] If you don't agree with this choice, that's fine.
[00:22:03 - 00:22:03] Right.
[00:22:03 - 00:22:05] Like, there will be people in our comment section
[00:22:05 - 00:22:07] right now saying, OK, we don't agree with that choice.
[00:22:07 - 00:22:08] That is OK.
[00:22:08 - 00:22:09] Like, you can have your own personal opinion.
[00:22:09 - 00:22:12] I would encourage you to have seen the movie first.
[00:22:12 - 00:22:12] Yeah.
[00:22:12 - 00:22:15] A lot of people are commenting without having seen the movie.
[00:22:15 - 00:22:16] And I'm like, I don't really think.
[00:22:16 - 00:22:18] I think you're missing the point
[00:22:18 - 00:22:20] if that's what you're getting hung up on.
[00:22:20 - 00:22:21] And like, if you have a personal opinion,
[00:22:21 - 00:22:23] that's totally OK.
[00:22:23 - 00:22:27] Just like, don't say a movie is bad without having seen it.
[00:22:27 - 00:22:28] Yeah.
[00:22:28 - 00:22:31] One other comment I have, this is like a gear shift
[00:22:31 - 00:22:34] a little bit, but it's very interesting to note
[00:22:34 - 00:22:38] the uproar on this movie, The Odyssey.
[00:22:38 - 00:22:42] And I didn't really hear a lot of the feedback
[00:22:42 - 00:22:46] that we get on The Odyssey and casting in quote, unquote,
[00:22:46 - 00:22:48] political agenda or whatever.
[00:22:48 - 00:22:51] I didn't hear that when Moonlight won Best Picture
[00:22:51 - 00:22:52] over La La Land.
[00:22:52 - 00:22:53] And you know why?
[00:22:53 - 00:22:55] It's because no one really saw Moonlight
[00:22:55 - 00:22:57] as compared to who sees this movie.
[00:22:57 - 00:22:58] That's true.
[00:22:58 - 00:23:01] And so like, I'm not really saying anything with that.
[00:23:01 - 00:23:02] It's just something to note.
[00:23:03 - 00:23:06] This isn't a new conversation.
[00:23:06 - 00:23:09] It's just weird that it's so focused on The Odyssey.
[00:23:09 - 00:23:12] We're not really making a statement on that.
[00:23:12 - 00:23:15] I mean, I think, and again, this is all hypothetical,
[00:23:15 - 00:23:18] that's my, but like, I think a lot of people
[00:23:18 - 00:23:22] will want Moonlight to fail because whether in the super
[00:23:22 - 00:23:26] Uber sentiment space is he the go, I don't know.
[00:23:26 - 00:23:27] I like his movies.
[00:23:27 - 00:23:28] I think he's great.
[00:23:28 - 00:23:30] He's probably my favorite working director.
[00:23:30 - 00:23:32] I think he might be the best.
[00:23:32 - 00:23:33] My previous statement early in the video
[00:23:33 - 00:23:36] was definitely a little bit of hyperbole.
[00:23:36 - 00:23:38] But in the general pop culture space,
[00:23:38 - 00:23:40] he is the go director.
[00:23:40 - 00:23:42] So in the general pop culture space,
[00:23:42 - 00:23:44] everybody wants Goliath to fall.
[00:23:44 - 00:23:44] Yeah.
[00:23:44 - 00:23:46] Just for the sake of watching Goliath fall.
[00:23:46 - 00:23:49] And I'm like, let's like, I don't know.
[00:23:49 - 00:23:53] Why try to ruin something that could be really fun?
[00:23:53 - 00:23:56] Like The Odyssey could be movie of the year.
[00:23:56 - 00:23:58] Who knows how it's going to shape up, but like, it
[00:23:58 - 00:23:59] could be.
[00:23:59 - 00:24:02] Like, why would you not watch the movie
[00:24:02 - 00:24:05] and say it's going to be bad because I
[00:24:05 - 00:24:06] disagree with the casting choice?
[00:24:06 - 00:24:09] Like, if you disagree, you don't have to go see the movie.
[00:24:09 - 00:24:12] But like, the fact that people are spending energy
[00:24:12 - 00:24:17] to comment on it, like, this is a lot for not a lot of return.
[00:24:17 - 00:24:18] Yeah, I agree.
[00:24:18 - 00:24:20] So The Odyssey didn't fail.
[00:24:20 - 00:24:21] It's incredible.
[00:24:21 - 00:24:25] Hopefully we covered that topic relatively,
[00:24:25 - 00:24:27] at least touched on it well.
[00:24:27 - 00:24:30] It's probably a discussion that can continue on
[00:24:30 - 00:24:31] in the comment section.
[00:24:31 - 00:24:32] Again, just to be respectful.
[00:24:32 - 00:24:34] But I don't want to say on that too long,
[00:24:34 - 00:24:36] because we really like this movie.
[00:24:36 - 00:24:37] It's true.
[00:24:37 - 00:24:40] The casting does not make this a bad movie.
[00:24:40 - 00:24:42] If you're concerned about that, this movie is incredible.
[00:24:42 - 00:24:45] We both, when saw it, we both say it's incredible.
[00:24:45 - 00:24:50] So kind of gear shifting back to the movie itself.
[00:24:50 - 00:24:51] More moments have stuck out to you.
[00:24:51 - 00:24:53] Do you want to talk about like maybe the journey of Odysseus?
[00:24:53 - 00:24:56] Yeah, I think we should get into some other themes.
[00:24:56 - 00:24:59] I mean, I think one moment, this stuck out to me a ton,
[00:24:59 - 00:25:05] is Odysseus' monologue as the beggar to Anne Hathaway.
[00:25:05 - 00:25:06] Oh, man, it's so good.
[00:25:06 - 00:25:07] That was so good.
[00:25:07 - 00:25:09] And then the apology to Athena, too, a little bit.
[00:25:09 - 00:25:11] I thought it was definitely the strongest part
[00:25:11 - 00:25:12] of Matt Damon's performance there.
[00:25:12 - 00:25:14] Yes, I would completely agree.
[00:25:14 - 00:25:17] But then like, I'm like, the theme of like,
[00:25:17 - 00:25:20] the cycle of violence and like, like Odysseus
[00:25:20 - 00:25:25] feels bad for the Trojan horse because it's like,
[00:25:26 - 00:25:28] again, I have no idea how historically accurate this is.
[00:25:28 - 00:25:29] Did the Trojan war even happen?
[00:25:29 - 00:25:31] It's kind of up in the air.
[00:25:31 - 00:25:38] But it is a cool thought that like, the Trojan horse broke
[00:25:38 - 00:25:41] Azusa's law, which is another theme we'll get into in a second.
[00:25:41 - 00:25:44] And that's how the Bronze Age fell
[00:25:44 - 00:25:49] and how this kind of like utopian Greco-world broke
[00:25:49 - 00:25:52] is because of Odysseus' choice.
[00:25:52 - 00:25:55] Or at least that's his perspective in this.
[00:25:55 - 00:25:56] I mean, fictional universe.
[00:25:56 - 00:25:58] I think that guilt makes a lot of sense for us here.
[00:25:58 - 00:25:59] I think it makes a lot of sense.
[00:25:59 - 00:26:01] Yeah.
[00:26:01 - 00:26:03] So I thought that monologue was great.
[00:26:03 - 00:26:06] I thought it was super interesting.
[00:26:06 - 00:26:07] It's a super interesting theme.
[00:26:07 - 00:26:09] And like, I mean, there's a lot of commentary now
[00:26:09 - 00:26:10] for the cycle of violence.
[00:26:10 - 00:26:13] And I mean, everyone's at war all the time.
[00:26:13 - 00:26:14] And everyone hates each other.
[00:26:14 - 00:26:16] So it's like, it's just super interesting.
[00:26:16 - 00:26:17] Yeah.
[00:26:17 - 00:26:19] I think, too, I would say there's
[00:26:19 - 00:26:21] some debate around Penelope.
[00:26:21 - 00:26:23] And like also, there's this whole commentary
[00:26:23 - 00:26:26] like Ken Nolan Right Women, which I would say,
[00:26:26 - 00:26:28] have you seen Oppenheimer?
[00:26:28 - 00:26:31] Kitty, Emily Blunt's character, is extremely well-written,
[00:26:31 - 00:26:32] I would say.
[00:26:32 - 00:26:34] But I would say Penelope is very well-written.
[00:26:34 - 00:26:36] And there's like a nuance in there.
[00:26:36 - 00:26:37] 100%.
[00:26:37 - 00:26:39] She's a man she loves and cares a lot about.
[00:26:39 - 00:26:44] And there's a lot of tension there of like,
[00:26:44 - 00:26:45] she wants Odysseus.
[00:26:45 - 00:26:49] And like, I mean, there are so many times that, in half
[00:26:49 - 00:26:51] the way, it's just screaming at Tom Holland or someone
[00:26:51 - 00:26:52] else, I want Odysseus.
[00:26:52 - 00:26:53] Like, that's who I want.
[00:26:53 - 00:26:54] She wants her husband.
[00:26:54 - 00:26:56] She wants the man that she loves.
[00:26:56 - 00:26:58] And but then there's this nuance of like,
[00:26:58 - 00:27:00] who's on the throne of Ithaca?
[00:27:00 - 00:27:03] And I think the movie plays with the nuance well of like,
[00:27:03 - 00:27:05] she's like, I've been ruling Ithaca.
[00:27:05 - 00:27:09] Like, I have also been, I have all these suitors in my house.
[00:27:09 - 00:27:12] They're trying to get to me.
[00:27:12 - 00:27:14] But I want my husband, but I also
[00:27:14 - 00:27:16] want to do what's right for my kingdom.
[00:27:16 - 00:27:19] But also, there's a lot of nuance there.
[00:27:19 - 00:27:21] I think the movie plays with the well.
[00:27:21 - 00:27:22] Yeah, I agree.
[00:27:22 - 00:27:27] How did you feel about Odysseus' law being such a strong concept
[00:27:27 - 00:27:28] in this movie?
[00:27:28 - 00:27:30] I liked it, yeah.
[00:27:30 - 00:27:32] I would say it's like a concept I was like.
[00:27:32 - 00:27:35] I mean, a low key, not a plot device, but like.
[00:27:35 - 00:27:36] No, yeah.
[00:27:36 - 00:27:38] I would say the plot kind of hinges on the fact of like,
[00:27:38 - 00:27:39] treat others the way you want to be treated.
[00:27:39 - 00:27:41] And how does that play out in all these situations?
[00:27:41 - 00:27:42] For sure.
[00:27:42 - 00:27:44] And I think the movie plays with it really well.
[00:27:44 - 00:27:47] And I think it's really hammered home with the Trojan
[00:27:47 - 00:27:49] horse.
[00:27:49 - 00:27:51] I mean, the last shot is kind of about that.
[00:27:51 - 00:27:53] Right.
[00:27:53 - 00:27:56] I've seen some criticism online briefly about like,
[00:27:56 - 00:27:59] they just kind of say stuff about Zeus' law and then do stuff.
[00:27:59 - 00:28:01] I think that this movie is deep.
[00:28:01 - 00:28:02] Like, it has depth to it.
[00:28:05 - 00:28:07] I think it adds depth to a story
[00:28:07 - 00:28:10] that can seem, oh, Odysseus wants
[00:28:10 - 00:28:11] to get revenge on all these suitors.
[00:28:11 - 00:28:15] Like, no, there's a lot about trauma and war
[00:28:15 - 00:28:18] and all these things that it plays with.
[00:28:18 - 00:28:19] I would say it's good.
[00:28:19 - 00:28:21] I wasn't super familiar with Zeus' law.
[00:28:21 - 00:28:24] I don't know if that's a concept created for the Odyssey movie.
[00:28:24 - 00:28:26] I don't know.
[00:28:26 - 00:28:28] I don't quote me on anything there.
[00:28:28 - 00:28:30] But I liked it a lot.
[00:28:30 - 00:28:32] What did you think about Zeus' law?
[00:28:32 - 00:28:33] I thought it was interesting.
[00:28:33 - 00:28:36] I think Nolan said this in an interview,
[00:28:36 - 00:28:41] and I thought it was an astute observation from the Lord
[00:28:41 - 00:28:43] Nolan himself.
[00:28:43 - 00:28:43] Sir Nolan.
[00:28:43 - 00:28:45] Sir Nolan.
[00:28:45 - 00:28:47] Sir Lord King.
[00:28:47 - 00:28:49] In Game of Thrones, Lords own castles.
[00:28:49 - 00:28:50] Oh my gosh.
[00:28:50 - 00:28:53] Anyway.
[00:28:53 - 00:28:55] He said that, I mean, I'm paraphrasing,
[00:28:55 - 00:29:00] but he basically said that to have a successful civilization,
[00:29:00 - 00:29:02] you have to treat strangers the way you would want
[00:29:02 - 00:29:04] to be treated or else you live in anarchy.
[00:29:04 - 00:29:06] Which I would say is a pretty good life principle.
[00:29:06 - 00:29:08] Which I think is true.
[00:29:08 - 00:29:09] We're in some truth there.
[00:29:09 - 00:29:11] Right.
[00:29:11 - 00:29:14] And I was like, I think I know that subconsciously,
[00:29:14 - 00:29:16] but I don't think I've ever consciously
[00:29:16 - 00:29:21] thought about this concept of how
[00:29:21 - 00:29:25] just treating others, obviously, treating others
[00:29:25 - 00:29:26] selfishly is bad.
[00:29:26 - 00:29:29] But I think it is well-explored in this movie,
[00:29:29 - 00:29:30] and there's a lot to think about there.
[00:29:30 - 00:29:34] I will say this is not the deepest Nolan movie.
[00:29:34 - 00:29:35] No, it is not.
[00:29:35 - 00:29:37] It is not, for sure.
[00:29:37 - 00:29:38] I think it has depth to it.
[00:29:38 - 00:29:39] I agree.
[00:29:39 - 00:29:43] And I think it could have just been a really cool action
[00:29:43 - 00:29:44] war flick.
[00:29:44 - 00:29:45] And we would have been like, all right.
[00:29:45 - 00:29:46] Yeah.
[00:29:46 - 00:29:49] And it goes deeper, and it tries to.
[00:29:49 - 00:29:52] I would say Interstellar is more emotional than this movie.
[00:29:52 - 00:29:53] I agree.
[00:29:53 - 00:29:59] I would say, I'll just leave it at Interstellar.
[00:29:59 - 00:30:02] But there's a lot of depth to Nolan's stuff,
[00:30:02 - 00:30:04] and he's dabbled in it.
[00:30:04 - 00:30:07] This movie doesn't need the deepest,
[00:30:07 - 00:30:09] like I'm really thinking about everything
[00:30:09 - 00:30:10] this movie is saying.
[00:30:10 - 00:30:11] Yeah.
[00:30:11 - 00:30:13] Because the moments are so awesome.
[00:30:13 - 00:30:17] Not every movie has to be like your recontextualized
[00:30:17 - 00:30:18] your entire life.
[00:30:18 - 00:30:19] Yeah.
[00:30:19 - 00:30:20] I think Oppenheimer and Interstellar
[00:30:20 - 00:30:23] have some real depth.
[00:30:23 - 00:30:25] This movie has depth, but not in the same way.
[00:30:25 - 00:30:27] And that's OK.
[00:30:27 - 00:30:30] I think that for these characters and for the story
[00:30:30 - 00:30:35] of the depth, it serves its purpose, for sure.
[00:30:35 - 00:30:37] OK, do you want to hear my one hang-up?
[00:30:37 - 00:30:37] OK, yeah.
[00:30:37 - 00:30:40] Let's get into hang-ups, gripes, if we have any at all.
[00:30:40 - 00:30:42] I don't even know if it's a hang-up.
[00:30:42 - 00:30:43] But let's talk about it.
[00:30:43 - 00:30:43] Here we are.
[00:30:43 - 00:30:44] OK.
[00:30:44 - 00:30:49] The sentimental stick that Matt Damon gives to Robert Pattinson.
[00:30:49 - 00:30:52] Oh, I thought it was good.
[00:30:52 - 00:30:55] But how on earth did he keep it the entire time?
[00:30:55 - 00:30:56] You know, that's a great question.
[00:30:56 - 00:30:58] Because when he's on Calypso's Island,
[00:30:58 - 00:31:00] she's like, you've been clutching this thing.
[00:31:00 - 00:31:02] And I thought he was going to open his hand.
[00:31:02 - 00:31:03] And two objects were going to be in his hand.
[00:31:03 - 00:31:05] The Athena statue, and then the sentimental stick.
[00:31:05 - 00:31:07] Do you think they have pockets in the Odyssey?
[00:31:07 - 00:31:09] And that's my question to you.
[00:31:09 - 00:31:10] Do I think they have pockets?
[00:31:10 - 00:31:12] Matt Damon had a pocket, and did it
[00:31:12 - 00:31:17] survive being ripped apart, this ship,
[00:31:17 - 00:31:19] and floating all the way to Calypso's Island?
[00:31:19 - 00:31:20] I'm going to say yes.
[00:31:20 - 00:31:21] OK.
[00:31:21 - 00:31:23] Matt Damon has pockets in this movie.
[00:31:23 - 00:31:26] Do you think Matt Damon has pockets in this movie?
[00:31:26 - 00:31:29] I think that's a very minor continuity thing.
[00:31:29 - 00:31:33] It did feel a little bit like a Count of Monte Cristo payoff.
[00:31:33 - 00:31:37] I say that in, like, I've seen 2001, 2002 movie
[00:31:37 - 00:31:40] with Guy Pearce and Jim Caviesel.
[00:31:40 - 00:31:41] And it's a very good movie.
[00:31:41 - 00:31:42] I enjoyed that movie a lot.
[00:31:42 - 00:31:45] But it felt like a Count of Monte Cristo payoff a little bit,
[00:31:45 - 00:31:46] but it was kind of awesome.
[00:31:46 - 00:31:46] I liked it.
[00:31:46 - 00:31:47] It was good.
[00:31:47 - 00:31:50] I mean, the whole third act, I thought was great.
[00:31:50 - 00:31:53] I thought it was full of tension.
[00:31:53 - 00:31:57] I had forgotten the whole disguise thing of what was awesome.
[00:31:57 - 00:31:59] Odysseus needs to rock up in disguise.
[00:31:59 - 00:31:59] Yeah, I think.
[00:31:59 - 00:32:02] I thought it was sick.
[00:32:02 - 00:32:04] I mean, the scene when they were fighting
[00:32:04 - 00:32:07] in the priest, the temple of Athena, I guess.
[00:32:07 - 00:32:08] Oh, man.
[00:32:08 - 00:32:09] And Tom Holland and Matt Damon are just going,
[00:32:09 - 00:32:11] like, oh, my gosh.
[00:32:11 - 00:32:13] The action sequences here are so dope.
[00:32:13 - 00:32:16] So just kind of to tie into the third act,
[00:32:16 - 00:32:18] because that's when the audience that I was with
[00:32:18 - 00:32:20] started to kind of get into it.
[00:32:20 - 00:32:21] Yeah.
[00:32:21 - 00:32:24] Which I would say it was 11 AM when our showtime started.
[00:32:24 - 00:32:26] So I think people were maybe not as like, oh, we
[00:32:26 - 00:32:28] can clap in this movie.
[00:32:28 - 00:32:29] But then by the end of the movie,
[00:32:29 - 00:32:31] they were like, we're cheering.
[00:32:31 - 00:32:37] What moments did people cheer slash clap in your showing?
[00:32:37 - 00:32:39] The third act, I mean, at the end,
[00:32:39 - 00:32:44] like when the credits roll, the third act
[00:32:44 - 00:32:48] when Odysseus is just killing suitors.
[00:32:48 - 00:32:50] Yes.
[00:32:50 - 00:32:53] And then the Trojan sacking of Troy, the first time.
[00:32:53 - 00:32:54] Really?
[00:32:54 - 00:32:55] They cheered them.
[00:32:55 - 00:32:55] They didn't.
[00:32:55 - 00:32:59] When Odysseus, like, took off his hood, and oh, man.
[00:32:59 - 00:33:00] It's such a good, freaking moment.
[00:33:00 - 00:33:01] I mean, it's so good.
[00:33:01 - 00:33:03] And he strings the bow.
[00:33:03 - 00:33:03] Yeah.
[00:33:03 - 00:33:06] Oh, it's so good.
[00:33:06 - 00:33:09] By the way, Robert Penson is great in this movie,
[00:33:09 - 00:33:11] which I know he's like kind of great in everything.
[00:33:11 - 00:33:13] But he's a slimy guy.
[00:33:13 - 00:33:14] He's just nasty.
[00:33:14 - 00:33:16] He's a good villain.
[00:33:16 - 00:33:17] He hate him.
[00:33:17 - 00:33:19] It's good.
[00:33:19 - 00:33:20] Cory Hawkins.
[00:33:20 - 00:33:20] Oh, yeah.
[00:33:20 - 00:33:22] Also hateable.
[00:33:22 - 00:33:25] Yeah, they're all kind of like, they're kicking the dog.
[00:33:25 - 00:33:25] Very cute.
[00:33:25 - 00:33:26] Yeah, bro.
[00:33:26 - 00:33:27] Very real dog.
[00:33:27 - 00:33:28] Cory, what are we doing here?
[00:33:28 - 00:33:30] Let me tell you about a pet peeve of mine in cinema.
[00:33:30 - 00:33:30] OK.
[00:33:30 - 00:33:32] Fake CGI dogs.
[00:33:32 - 00:33:34] I like a good, freaking real dog.
[00:33:34 - 00:33:37] What happened to the air buddy days?
[00:33:37 - 00:33:39] Come on, man.
[00:33:39 - 00:33:40] Real dogs in this movie.
[00:33:40 - 00:33:45] When Odysseus gets there and the dog dies, that's heartwarming.
[00:33:45 - 00:33:46] It's heartwarming and sad.
[00:33:46 - 00:33:48] That'll hit you.
[00:33:48 - 00:33:51] How'd you feel about Tom Holland in this movie?
[00:33:51 - 00:33:51] OK.
[00:33:51 - 00:33:54] This is a good discussion point.
[00:33:54 - 00:33:56] I think his performance is good.
[00:33:56 - 00:33:58] Yeah.
[00:33:58 - 00:34:00] I don't know.
[00:34:00 - 00:34:03] I don't want to say it's not great because I
[00:34:03 - 00:34:05] love Tom Holland as a person.
[00:34:05 - 00:34:08] I like this choice from him.
[00:34:08 - 00:34:11] OK, do you think it's great or do you think it's good?
[00:34:11 - 00:34:12] I think it's good.
[00:34:12 - 00:34:13] OK, I think it's good, too.
[00:34:13 - 00:34:16] I don't think he does a lot in this movie.
[00:34:16 - 00:34:18] They're like, oh, Tom Holland's really, really great.
[00:34:18 - 00:34:18] Right.
[00:34:18 - 00:34:19] Like, he's the son.
[00:34:19 - 00:34:22] I think he has some moments where you're like, OK, that was great.
[00:34:22 - 00:34:23] Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[00:34:23 - 00:34:24] But I think as a whole, his performance is good.
[00:34:24 - 00:34:26] I think he carries his own weight.
[00:34:26 - 00:34:27] Yep, I agree.
[00:34:27 - 00:34:31] I believe him as Odysseus' son in this movie.
[00:34:31 - 00:34:33] I do, too.
[00:34:33 - 00:34:34] And I'm not just saying, oh, he's
[00:34:34 - 00:34:35] Peter Parker in another movie.
[00:34:35 - 00:34:37] Like, no, he is Odysseus' son in this movie.
[00:34:37 - 00:34:38] Yep.
[00:34:38 - 00:34:40] I was talking to my brother who went and saw this movie with me.
[00:34:40 - 00:34:43] He was like, couldn't really get Peter Parker out of my head.
[00:34:43 - 00:34:45] I think that's fair.
[00:34:45 - 00:34:46] No, no, no.
[00:34:46 - 00:34:49] For someone who has always seen Tom Holland
[00:34:49 - 00:34:52] in for a decade is Spider-Man.
[00:34:52 - 00:34:54] I can understand where you're coming from.
[00:34:54 - 00:34:54] Yeah.
[00:34:54 - 00:34:56] But I don't think.
[00:34:56 - 00:34:58] I had that moment at the beginning of the movie.
[00:34:58 - 00:35:00] There's Tom Holland.
[00:35:00 - 00:35:01] I was like, OK, I was good with it.
[00:35:01 - 00:35:03] Yeah.
[00:35:03 - 00:35:07] I mean, I do think there's a problem where it's like,
[00:35:07 - 00:35:10] why don't you become so recognizable for a certain thing?
[00:35:10 - 00:35:12] I mean, every time I see Chris Evans anywhere,
[00:35:12 - 00:35:13] I'm like, that's Captain America.
[00:35:13 - 00:35:14] Yeah.
[00:35:14 - 00:35:15] R&J is the same way.
[00:35:15 - 00:35:17] I didn't feel that way when I was out, though.
[00:35:17 - 00:35:18] Oh, I still do.
[00:35:18 - 00:35:19] He plays such a different character.
[00:35:19 - 00:35:20] Actually, I don't know.
[00:35:20 - 00:35:20] He plays such a different character.
[00:35:20 - 00:35:22] I don't know, actually.
[00:35:22 - 00:35:23] That's my favorite Chris Evans performance.
[00:35:23 - 00:35:24] He's so fun.
[00:35:24 - 00:35:26] But I will say.
[00:35:26 - 00:35:27] What's his name in that movie?
[00:35:27 - 00:35:28] Ransom?
[00:35:28 - 00:35:29] I knew you would know.
[00:35:29 - 00:35:30] I love that.
[00:35:30 - 00:35:31] It's my top four.
[00:35:31 - 00:35:31] Whatever.
[00:35:31 - 00:35:34] Ransom and Steve Rogers are so polar opposite
[00:35:34 - 00:35:35] that I think it's distinguishable.
[00:35:35 - 00:35:38] Telemachus and Peter Parker, they're different,
[00:35:38 - 00:35:39] but not like crazy different.
[00:35:39 - 00:35:40] They are not as polar opposite.
[00:35:40 - 00:35:41] Yeah, that's fair.
[00:35:41 - 00:35:42] Yeah.
[00:35:42 - 00:35:44] So like when all that's to say, I
[00:35:44 - 00:35:47] think Tom Holland has a good solid performance here,
[00:35:47 - 00:35:49] carries away, and it's a very believable Telemachus.
[00:35:49 - 00:35:51] I am interested.
[00:35:51 - 00:35:53] I feel like Palpatine.
[00:35:53 - 00:35:56] I'm going to watch your career with great interest.
[00:35:56 - 00:35:59] For someone who's a various, average Hollywood person,
[00:35:59 - 00:36:00] I'm interested to see where he goes from here.
[00:36:00 - 00:36:02] Because he said in interviews like,
[00:36:02 - 00:36:04] it's kind of the last time I can play a boy.
[00:36:04 - 00:36:05] Yeah, that's true.
[00:36:05 - 00:36:08] He is going to have to shift from like, these roles like,
[00:36:08 - 00:36:09] where does he go next?
[00:36:09 - 00:36:12] Like what's he do that's interesting?
[00:36:12 - 00:36:15] I feel like Zendaya really made that jump pretty quickly
[00:36:15 - 00:36:18] and she does her own thing now.
[00:36:18 - 00:36:21] I think Timothy Jolomey is kind of somewhere in there.
[00:36:21 - 00:36:25] I think Timothy Jolomey has done enough different
[00:36:25 - 00:36:28] that he's not recognizable as one thing.
[00:36:28 - 00:36:29] Yeah, like you see Marty Supreme
[00:36:29 - 00:36:30] and he doesn't feel like calling by your name.
[00:36:30 - 00:36:31] Yeah.
[00:36:31 - 00:36:32] So.
[00:36:32 - 00:36:35] You want to know, and this is completely on me.
[00:36:35 - 00:36:37] But you want to know who's really hard to see
[00:36:37 - 00:36:38] as anything else now?
[00:36:38 - 00:36:39] Who?
[00:36:39 - 00:36:40] John Brunthal.
[00:36:40 - 00:36:41] Are you seeing as Mikey or?
[00:36:41 - 00:36:43] I'm like, that's Mikey.
[00:36:43 - 00:36:43] Yeah.
[00:36:43 - 00:36:44] Anytime I see him.
[00:36:44 - 00:36:46] He did have a different haircut in this movie.
[00:36:46 - 00:36:48] But even then, I'm like, I mean, I think.
[00:36:48 - 00:36:50] I wanted him to throw a fork or something.
[00:36:50 - 00:36:52] I have such an emotional connection to the bear now.
[00:36:52 - 00:36:53] Yeah, I did too.
[00:36:53 - 00:36:56] That I'm like, anytime, and again, Jeremy Allen White,
[00:36:56 - 00:36:57] it's going to be even worse.
[00:36:57 - 00:36:58] But.
[00:36:58 - 00:37:00] Yeah, Jeremy Allen White also like looks like Jeremy
[00:37:00 - 00:37:01] Allen White.
[00:37:01 - 00:37:02] Right.
[00:37:02 - 00:37:04] It's a little bit less chameleon.
[00:37:04 - 00:37:04] Yeah.
[00:37:04 - 00:37:06] But I'm kind of kidding there.
[00:37:06 - 00:37:09] But my first thought was like, Mikey.
[00:37:09 - 00:37:11] No, I think like that's the thing with this cast.
[00:37:11 - 00:37:12] And that's something you just got to get over with.
[00:37:12 - 00:37:13] Yeah, that's true.
[00:37:13 - 00:37:16] Everybody's recognizable.
[00:37:16 - 00:37:21] I mean, you have Will Hunting and Devil Wears Prada.
[00:37:21 - 00:37:23] What's her name?
[00:37:23 - 00:37:25] Emily.
[00:37:25 - 00:37:25] Emily?
[00:37:25 - 00:37:26] Isn't it?
[00:37:26 - 00:37:28] No, I think that's a.
[00:37:28 - 00:37:29] No, that's Emily Blunt.
[00:37:29 - 00:37:30] That's Emily Blunt.
[00:37:30 - 00:37:32] It's golly.
[00:37:32 - 00:37:34] I just watched this movie.
[00:37:34 - 00:37:35] It's going to kill me.
[00:37:35 - 00:37:39] Anyway, we have all these different people from Hollywood
[00:37:39 - 00:37:41] that you know.
[00:37:41 - 00:37:42] And they're all in the Odyssey.
[00:37:42 - 00:37:45] You just got to suspend some disbelief here.
[00:37:45 - 00:37:47] Like, I can't think of all these people
[00:37:47 - 00:37:49] as the people I know them as.
[00:37:49 - 00:37:51] Like, these are these people in the Odyssey.
[00:37:51 - 00:37:53] They're having a fun time.
[00:37:53 - 00:37:54] So.
[00:37:54 - 00:37:56] Another shout out, Hemish Patel.
[00:37:56 - 00:37:57] Hemish Patel, yeah.
[00:37:57 - 00:37:58] He did great.
[00:37:58 - 00:38:00] He was in Tenet.
[00:38:00 - 00:38:01] He was.
[00:38:01 - 00:38:02] And I've seen yesterday.
[00:38:02 - 00:38:04] Which I actually really like yesterday.
[00:38:04 - 00:38:06] But I haven't seen in a long time.
[00:38:06 - 00:38:08] He had, like, a physicality that kind of surprised me.
[00:38:08 - 00:38:10] And I think only because I've associated him with yesterday
[00:38:10 - 00:38:14] as, like, this beatle singer that I'm like,
[00:38:14 - 00:38:16] when he's killing guys, I'm like, whoa.
[00:38:16 - 00:38:17] I think that's fun.
[00:38:17 - 00:38:20] He was a good kind of foil to Matt Damon.
[00:38:20 - 00:38:21] Their attention was great.
[00:38:21 - 00:38:21] It was good.
[00:38:21 - 00:38:24] It was really, really solid.
[00:38:24 - 00:38:27] Yeah, I mean, this movie, I think,
[00:38:27 - 00:38:30] might get some critiques for, like, oh,
[00:38:30 - 00:38:33] we just watched Matt Damon go on a bunch of different islands
[00:38:33 - 00:38:34] and run away.
[00:38:34 - 00:38:36] But, like, also, that's the Odyssey.
[00:38:36 - 00:38:36] That's it.
[00:38:36 - 00:38:37] One, that's the book.
[00:38:37 - 00:38:38] Two, yeah.
[00:38:38 - 00:38:40] I think the link to the movie really lends itself to the end
[00:38:40 - 00:38:41] of the movie.
[00:38:41 - 00:38:42] You're like, he's back.
[00:38:42 - 00:38:43] Like, it is.
[00:38:43 - 00:38:45] You feel a sense of triumph?
[00:38:45 - 00:38:45] Yes.
[00:38:45 - 00:38:47] That I think is a credit to the length.
[00:38:47 - 00:38:50] Yeah, the journey really, and I was like, oh,
[00:38:50 - 00:38:51] the journey's what really matters.
[00:38:51 - 00:38:55] But, like, also, no, the destination really matters here.
[00:38:55 - 00:38:57] And the journey makes the payoff so good.
[00:38:57 - 00:38:58] Yeah.
[00:38:58 - 00:39:00] So, yeah.
[00:39:00 - 00:39:03] I don't know, we could talk about so much with this movie.
[00:39:03 - 00:39:06] Maybe we'll do a second Odyssey podcast, but.
[00:39:06 - 00:39:08] All right, I'm going to say this,
[00:39:08 - 00:39:09] and I'm going to hate that I'm saying this.
[00:39:09 - 00:39:10] Oh, no.
[00:39:10 - 00:39:12] How many things are you going to say that are going to make
[00:39:12 - 00:39:13] people mad in the comments?
[00:39:13 - 00:39:15] No, this is only making me mad.
[00:39:15 - 00:39:16] Oh, no.
[00:39:16 - 00:39:19] Our normal ranking is now on screen.
[00:39:19 - 00:39:19] Oh, gosh.
[00:39:19 - 00:39:21] For you viewers.
[00:39:21 - 00:39:22] You have to do editing.
[00:39:22 - 00:39:23] So now I have to edit.
[00:39:23 - 00:39:24] OK.
[00:39:24 - 00:39:25] Well, I'm going to read it off.
[00:39:25 - 00:39:26] Actually, you read it off, and I'll put it up.
[00:39:26 - 00:39:27] Because we have audio listeners.
[00:39:27 - 00:39:29] By the way, if you're new to the channel,
[00:39:29 - 00:39:30] you should consider subscribing.
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[00:39:30 - 00:39:32] Thank you for being here.
[00:39:32 - 00:39:35] If you are on audio platform, maybe leave a quick five star
[00:39:35 - 00:39:37] review if you're just chilling there.
[00:39:37 - 00:39:39] Like, oh, I like these dudes.
[00:39:39 - 00:39:41] Our normal rankings are as follows.
[00:39:41 - 00:39:42] And number one, we have The Dark Knight.
[00:39:42 - 00:39:43] Two, Interstellar.
[00:39:43 - 00:39:45] Three, The Prestige.
[00:39:45 - 00:39:47] Wow, I already disagreed with what we said nine months
[00:39:47 - 00:39:48] ago.
[00:39:48 - 00:39:49] Four, Inception.
[00:39:49 - 00:39:50] Five, Tenet.
[00:39:50 - 00:39:51] Six, Memento.
[00:39:51 - 00:39:53] Seven, Oppenheimer.
[00:39:53 - 00:39:54] OK.
[00:39:54 - 00:39:55] That was me.
[00:39:55 - 00:39:56] Eight, Dark Knight Rises.
[00:39:56 - 00:39:58] Nine, Batman Begins.
[00:39:58 - 00:40:00] Ten, Dunkirk.
[00:40:00 - 00:40:00] Not sure.
[00:40:00 - 00:40:02] Well, 50-50 on that.
[00:40:02 - 00:40:03] 11, Insomnia.
[00:40:03 - 00:40:04] 12, Following.
[00:40:04 - 00:40:07] Which, by the way, if you're like, where did these come from?
[00:40:07 - 00:40:09] We've talked about every single Nolan movie.
[00:40:09 - 00:40:10] On our podcast.
[00:40:10 - 00:40:11] On our podcast.
[00:40:11 - 00:40:12] It was a while ago.
[00:40:12 - 00:40:13] So if the episodes are rough, we're sorry.
[00:40:13 - 00:40:14] That's true.
[00:40:14 - 00:40:16] It was like almost a year ago.
[00:40:16 - 00:40:16] Yeah.
[00:40:16 - 00:40:17] By the way, we're young.
[00:40:17 - 00:40:19] If you're new to the channel, we're a young podcast.
[00:40:19 - 00:40:21] You're true.
[00:40:21 - 00:40:24] We are going to revisit this ranking.
[00:40:24 - 00:40:28] Do you want to change any of this really quick?
[00:40:28 - 00:40:30] I think I'm still in solid.
[00:40:30 - 00:40:32] I feel like we have to keep it now.
[00:40:32 - 00:40:33] I think I'm solid.
[00:40:33 - 00:40:34] Where we are.
[00:40:34 - 00:40:37] I think I would lower the Dark Knight.
[00:40:37 - 00:40:38] But I love the Dark Knight.
[00:40:38 - 00:40:39] You'd have Interstellar 1.
[00:40:39 - 00:40:41] I think I'd have Interstellar 1, Precision 2,
[00:40:41 - 00:40:42] Dark Knight 3.
[00:40:42 - 00:40:45] But people are going to hate that I'm saying that.
[00:40:45 - 00:40:45] Oh, that's interesting.
[00:40:45 - 00:40:46] Dark Knight's incredible.
[00:40:46 - 00:40:48] It's so good.
[00:40:48 - 00:40:50] But the Precision is like.
[00:40:50 - 00:40:51] The Precision's in my top four.
[00:40:51 - 00:40:52] The Dark Knight is not.
[00:40:52 - 00:40:54] Precision, though.
[00:40:54 - 00:41:00] But I think we had some argument that I agreed with of why
[00:41:00 - 00:41:01] the Dark Knight's number one.
[00:41:01 - 00:41:02] And I can't remember what it was.
[00:41:02 - 00:41:04] I'm sure that argument would probably convince.
[00:41:04 - 00:41:07] I think past grant would convince current grants.
[00:41:07 - 00:41:08] I say we leave it.
[00:41:08 - 00:41:08] OK.
[00:41:08 - 00:41:10] All right.
[00:41:10 - 00:41:11] We're going to leave our ranking.
[00:41:11 - 00:41:12] Where do we put the Odyssey?
[00:41:12 - 00:41:13] The Odyssey.
[00:41:13 - 00:41:15] I think we just go up the rankings and we start debating.
[00:41:15 - 00:41:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:41:16 - 00:41:18] The Odyssey is better than the following.
[00:41:18 - 00:41:18] It is.
[00:41:18 - 00:41:20] The Odyssey is better than Insomnia.
[00:41:20 - 00:41:21] It is.
[00:41:21 - 00:41:22] The Odyssey is better than Dunkirk.
[00:41:22 - 00:41:23] It is.
[00:41:23 - 00:41:26] Oh, my gosh, dude, by the way, on the internet the other day,
[00:41:26 - 00:41:28] on just like the interwebs, I saw Nolan raking.
[00:41:28 - 00:41:29] Dunkirk was number one.
[00:41:29 - 00:41:32] I was like, dude, I think I saw the same thing.
[00:41:32 - 00:41:33] I commented on it.
[00:41:33 - 00:41:37] I said, I got like 70 likes in five hours.
[00:41:37 - 00:41:41] It was like, I said, Dunkirk is good, bro.
[00:41:41 - 00:41:42] But it is not number one.
[00:41:42 - 00:41:43] Not number one.
[00:41:43 - 00:41:45] Not top tier Nolan.
[00:41:45 - 00:41:47] That's just straight rage bay and you're just farming
[00:41:47 - 00:41:48] for clicks.
[00:41:48 - 00:41:49] I like Dunkirk.
[00:41:49 - 00:41:51] It is not that good.
[00:41:51 - 00:41:52] It is not that good.
[00:41:52 - 00:41:53] Oh, my gosh, it pisses me off.
[00:41:53 - 00:41:55] I think we could maybe bump Dunkirk
[00:41:55 - 00:41:56] above Batman McGins or whatever.
[00:41:56 - 00:41:57] But like, OK.
[00:41:57 - 00:41:58] Yeah, that's fine.
[00:41:58 - 00:41:59] Sorry.
[00:41:59 - 00:42:01] Back to the Odyssey.
[00:42:01 - 00:42:04] Dunkirk is not as good as the Odyssey, right?
[00:42:04 - 00:42:06] No.
[00:42:06 - 00:42:07] The Odyssey is better than Batman McGins.
[00:42:07 - 00:42:08] Yes.
[00:42:08 - 00:42:10] The Odyssey is better than The Dark Knight Rises.
[00:42:10 - 00:42:12] My best band impression.
[00:42:12 - 00:42:14] Yes.
[00:42:14 - 00:42:15] I don't know if that was good.
[00:42:15 - 00:42:16] And we just lost subscribers after that.
[00:42:16 - 00:42:18] No.
[00:42:18 - 00:42:21] Wow, we have Oppenheimer really low.
[00:42:21 - 00:42:22] But that's OK.
[00:42:22 - 00:42:24] The Odyssey is better than Oppenheimer.
[00:42:24 - 00:42:25] Yes.
[00:42:25 - 00:42:27] Yeah.
[00:42:27 - 00:42:29] OK, I can say it.
[00:42:29 - 00:42:31] I think I disagree with our own ranking here,
[00:42:31 - 00:42:33] but this is what we agreed on.
[00:42:33 - 00:42:35] So for the sake of this ranking,
[00:42:35 - 00:42:38] the Odyssey is better than Oppenheimer.
[00:42:38 - 00:42:39] Because I think the next sentence I'm
[00:42:39 - 00:42:41] about to say is also true.
[00:42:41 - 00:42:43] Because the Odyssey is better than Memento.
[00:42:43 - 00:42:46] Oh, yeah, I think it is.
[00:42:46 - 00:42:50] So we can say that the Odyssey jumps those two slides.
[00:42:50 - 00:42:52] I think straight up, the Odyssey is better than Oppenheimer.
[00:42:52 - 00:42:54] But yes.
[00:42:54 - 00:42:56] I think Oppenheimer...
[00:42:56 - 00:42:57] I think we need to rewatch it.
[00:42:57 - 00:43:00] This is a more concise script and more impressive
[00:43:00 - 00:43:02] technically than Oppenheimer.
[00:43:02 - 00:43:04] Oppenheimer asked bigger questions.
[00:43:04 - 00:43:07] That doesn't necessarily mean it's a better movie as a whole.
[00:43:07 - 00:43:10] I think Oppenheimer is better edited.
[00:43:10 - 00:43:12] Actually, I might disagree.
[00:43:12 - 00:43:15] I think, well, Oppenheimer is probably a harder edit.
[00:43:15 - 00:43:16] Agreed.
[00:43:16 - 00:43:18] So what they achieved is really incredible.
[00:43:18 - 00:43:19] True.
[00:43:19 - 00:43:20] But that's one aspect.
[00:43:20 - 00:43:22] Also, I think the performances are better than Oppenheimer.
[00:43:22 - 00:43:24] I agree.
[00:43:24 - 00:43:26] Killian Murphy, Emily Blunt, I just...
[00:43:26 - 00:43:28] I agree, I agree.
[00:43:28 - 00:43:29] Those performances are better.
[00:43:29 - 00:43:32] Yeah, but I think as a whole, the Odyssey is better.
[00:43:32 - 00:43:32] Yeah, that's fine.
[00:43:32 - 00:43:33] I'm okay with that.
[00:43:33 - 00:43:36] I'm giving Oppenheimer flowers.
[00:43:36 - 00:43:37] So people are like, what?
[00:43:37 - 00:43:38] That's fine, that's fine.
[00:43:38 - 00:43:40] Okay, the Odyssey is better than Tenet.
[00:43:40 - 00:43:41] That is just straight up true.
[00:43:41 - 00:43:45] Oh my gosh, wow, we have the Odyssey really high.
[00:43:45 - 00:43:46] The Odyssey is better than Tenet.
[00:43:46 - 00:43:48] The Odyssey is better than Tenet.
[00:43:48 - 00:43:51] Okay, you liked Tenet way too much.
[00:43:51 - 00:43:52] I will say yes, but I loved it.
[00:43:52 - 00:43:55] See, okay, wow, I really hate the middle
[00:43:55 - 00:43:56] of Arnold and Ricky.
[00:43:56 - 00:43:57] I really hate it, by the way.
[00:43:57 - 00:43:58] Okay.
[00:43:58 - 00:44:00] We'll workshop it eventually.
[00:44:00 - 00:44:03] Yeah, this middle chunk is really bad.
[00:44:03 - 00:44:05] I don't know why we agreed to this.
[00:44:05 - 00:44:08] All right, the Odyssey is better than Inception.
[00:44:08 - 00:44:09] All right.
[00:44:09 - 00:44:11] This is where it gets interesting.
[00:44:11 - 00:44:12] Inception has more depth.
[00:44:13 - 00:44:14] Character-wise?
[00:44:14 - 00:44:15] Or just like...
[00:44:15 - 00:44:16] Ooh, I don't know, actually.
[00:44:16 - 00:44:19] Cobb has a lot of depth and basically no one else.
[00:44:19 - 00:44:22] Ah, I guess Killian Murphy, who's he playing that movie?
[00:44:22 - 00:44:23] I don't even know.
[00:44:23 - 00:44:25] Is this the son of the rich guy?
[00:44:25 - 00:44:28] Yeah, Odyssey has a little bit of depth.
[00:44:28 - 00:44:30] Actually, I don't know if I agree with that
[00:44:30 - 00:44:32] now that I think about it.
[00:44:32 - 00:44:35] I think the Odyssey has more character depth.
[00:44:35 - 00:44:36] My mic just fell.
[00:44:38 - 00:44:39] Yeah, I agree.
[00:44:39 - 00:44:40] Oh, I don't know.
[00:44:40 - 00:44:41] I agree.
[00:44:43 - 00:44:45] I, ugh.
[00:44:45 - 00:44:47] Inception's like, there's such like a classic.
[00:44:47 - 00:44:48] It is classic.
[00:44:48 - 00:44:51] I would argue Odyssey's more technically impressive.
[00:44:53 - 00:44:54] Okay, but we have to put it in context.
[00:44:54 - 00:44:55] Inception's crazy.
[00:44:55 - 00:44:57] We literally have to put it in context, though.
[00:44:57 - 00:44:58] Inception was groundbreaking in its own right.
[00:44:58 - 00:44:59] Right?
[00:45:01 - 00:45:02] But so was the Odyssey.
[00:45:02 - 00:45:03] Yeah, oh, you're right.
[00:45:03 - 00:45:05] The Odyssey's pretty groundbreaking.
[00:45:05 - 00:45:07] Oh, I don't know.
[00:45:08 - 00:45:11] I would say Inception is also groundbreaking
[00:45:11 - 00:45:13] from a story, not like a story, but like a...
[00:45:13 - 00:45:14] True.
[00:45:14 - 00:45:15] A world-building writing sample.
[00:45:15 - 00:45:17] Yeah, or from like a script perspective
[00:45:17 - 00:45:18] of like how it is structured.
[00:45:20 - 00:45:22] The Odyssey is less groundbreaking in that field.
[00:45:22 - 00:45:23] Okay, I have a question.
[00:45:23 - 00:45:24] Okay.
[00:45:24 - 00:45:26] And then we'll come back to Inception.
[00:45:26 - 00:45:28] We are not going to say the Odyssey's better
[00:45:28 - 00:45:29] than the prestige, correct?
[00:45:31 - 00:45:32] No.
[00:45:32 - 00:45:36] Okay, so we are debating between Inception
[00:45:36 - 00:45:37] in our rankings on the screen.
[00:45:37 - 00:45:41] The four and five slot is either Inception
[00:45:41 - 00:45:42] at four, Odyssey at five,
[00:45:42 - 00:45:45] or Odyssey at four, Inception at five.
[00:45:45 - 00:45:46] This is the debate right now.
[00:45:46 - 00:45:47] Yeah.
[00:45:47 - 00:45:49] Which I'm okay with either of these spots.
[00:45:50 - 00:45:52] I think it's better than Inception.
[00:45:53 - 00:45:55] The ending of Inception.
[00:45:55 - 00:45:56] Does that save Inception?
[00:45:57 - 00:45:58] Or is it like, is it gimmicky?
[00:46:00 - 00:46:01] I will say this.
[00:46:01 - 00:46:04] I think, again, the Odyssey's been out for three days,
[00:46:04 - 00:46:06] so who knows?
[00:46:06 - 00:46:09] I would think that the ending of Inception
[00:46:09 - 00:46:12] will be more talked about.
[00:46:12 - 00:46:12] Yeah.
[00:46:12 - 00:46:14] Than this ending.
[00:46:14 - 00:46:15] Yeah, for sure.
[00:46:16 - 00:46:17] Well, the Odyssey would be talked about
[00:46:17 - 00:46:20] more than Inception, probably not.
[00:46:20 - 00:46:20] I think it might.
[00:46:20 - 00:46:21] I think it might.
[00:46:21 - 00:46:23] It's so hard to predict where Pop Culture's
[00:46:23 - 00:46:24] gonna go with this movie.
[00:46:24 - 00:46:26] It's like really hard.
[00:46:26 - 00:46:30] I mean, this is an end game level event of Pop Culture.
[00:46:30 - 00:46:32] I really think it is.
[00:46:33 - 00:46:35] I don't think it'll reach the same heights,
[00:46:35 - 00:46:36] but yes, I see what you're saying.
[00:46:36 - 00:46:38] Even look at just theaters.
[00:46:38 - 00:46:40] No, yeah, you're right.
[00:46:40 - 00:46:41] I don't know, it's not gonna make as much money.
[00:46:41 - 00:46:43] No, but I'm talking culturally.
[00:46:43 - 00:46:44] Yeah.
[00:46:45 - 00:46:47] I think it's better than Inception.
[00:46:49 - 00:46:51] All right, I'm going to concede on this
[00:46:51 - 00:46:55] and agree with the asterisk of
[00:46:55 - 00:46:58] we are going to do a full Nolan episode at some point.
[00:46:58 - 00:47:00] We will rework this ranking.
[00:47:00 - 00:47:03] Yeah, we'll do a rankings workshop here.
[00:47:03 - 00:47:05] I do wanna go back and watch our videos
[00:47:05 - 00:47:07] and figure out why we put everything where we put it.
[00:47:07 - 00:47:08] Yeah.
[00:47:08 - 00:47:10] And you should too.
[00:47:11 - 00:47:13] You should subscribe if you're still here.
[00:47:13 - 00:47:16] We gotta start wrapping this thing up,
[00:47:16 - 00:47:18] but anything else you wanna say on the Odyssey?
[00:47:18 - 00:47:21] I mean, there's a lot we can still talk about, honestly.
[00:47:21 - 00:47:24] We don't need to have an Odyssey length episode
[00:47:24 - 00:47:25] on the Odyssey.
[00:47:25 - 00:47:25] No, we don't.
[00:47:25 - 00:47:28] So, I mean, other moments that suck out to you,
[00:47:28 - 00:47:29] other performances that you're like,
[00:47:29 - 00:47:31] oh, this person was good.
[00:47:33 - 00:47:34] Nope.
[00:47:35 - 00:47:36] All right, bye guys.
[00:47:36 - 00:47:37] I think it's great.
[00:47:37 - 00:47:38] I think it's phenomenal.
[00:47:38 - 00:47:39] Go see it again.
[00:47:39 - 00:47:41] I'm probably gonna go see it again.
[00:47:41 - 00:47:42] I saw it alone.
[00:47:42 - 00:47:43] All my family's like, was it good?
[00:47:43 - 00:47:44] Should I go see it?
[00:47:44 - 00:47:45] I'm like, yes, and I'll go with you.
[00:47:45 - 00:47:46] So.
[00:47:46 - 00:47:49] Man, Polly loved it, by the way.
[00:47:49 - 00:47:50] My wife loved it.
[00:47:50 - 00:47:51] Okay, good.
[00:47:51 - 00:47:52] So, yes, she had a great time.
[00:47:52 - 00:47:53] Yeah.
[00:47:53 - 00:47:55] Trailers were scary, fun fact.
[00:47:55 - 00:47:58] We're kind of in game of this podcast.
[00:47:58 - 00:47:58] So what are you saying?
[00:47:58 - 00:48:00] The trailers before the Odyssey was scary?
[00:48:00 - 00:48:03] There was one for, what was it,
[00:48:03 - 00:48:04] another mommy or whatever.
[00:48:04 - 00:48:05] That one was a little freaky.
[00:48:05 - 00:48:06] The freaky scary.
[00:48:06 - 00:48:07] Yeah.
[00:48:07 - 00:48:08] It looked terrible.
[00:48:08 - 00:48:09] Resident Evil was pretty cool.
[00:48:09 - 00:48:10] Zach Kroger.
[00:48:10 - 00:48:11] Zach Kroger.
[00:48:11 - 00:48:12] Back to back years, by the way,
[00:48:12 - 00:48:13] which is impressive to do.
[00:48:13 - 00:48:15] Oh, I play Rocky?
[00:48:16 - 00:48:17] I, okay.
[00:48:17 - 00:48:19] We're in the deep end of this podcast,
[00:48:19 - 00:48:20] but it's fine.
[00:48:20 - 00:48:21] Okay.
[00:48:21 - 00:48:23] I'm gonna say this really quick.
[00:48:23 - 00:48:24] I don't like remakes.
[00:48:24 - 00:48:28] I don't like unnecessary stories
[00:48:28 - 00:48:29] or sequels or whatever.
[00:48:29 - 00:48:30] Biopic things.
[00:48:30 - 00:48:32] I don't like it.
[00:48:32 - 00:48:33] This is interesting.
[00:48:33 - 00:48:36] Because the actual story of how they made Rocky
[00:48:36 - 00:48:37] is very interesting.
[00:48:37 - 00:48:38] True.
[00:48:38 - 00:48:40] And it's a very good underdog story.
[00:48:40 - 00:48:41] Yeah.
[00:48:41 - 00:48:42] I will also say this.
[00:48:42 - 00:48:43] Yep.
[00:48:43 - 00:48:46] I, on this podcast, have disliked biopics.
[00:48:46 - 00:48:46] I have as well.
[00:48:46 - 00:48:48] Or biopics or whatever, I don't care.
[00:48:48 - 00:48:50] I still dislike them.
[00:48:50 - 00:48:54] This movie was genetically engineered in a lab for me.
[00:48:54 - 00:48:56] An underdog story about a guy
[00:48:56 - 00:48:58] who really wants to make a movie.
[00:48:58 - 00:48:59] And then he writes a script
[00:48:59 - 00:49:01] and then plays the dang character.
[00:49:01 - 00:49:02] And then wins best picture.
[00:49:02 - 00:49:03] And then kills it.
[00:49:03 - 00:49:05] I'm like, yeah.
[00:49:05 - 00:49:07] That's like my ideal life.
[00:49:07 - 00:49:08] I'll watch it.
[00:49:08 - 00:49:09] I'll watch it twice.
[00:49:09 - 00:49:11] I grew up on the Rocky movies.
[00:49:11 - 00:49:14] Rocky 4 was like, my dad loved watching the movie with me.
[00:49:14 - 00:49:17] So we're gonna go watch that when that comes out.
[00:49:17 - 00:49:21] But I have one question that we can get to coming up next.
[00:49:21 - 00:49:22] Okay.
[00:49:22 - 00:49:23] Drew, you are at a party.
[00:49:23 - 00:49:24] I'm at a party.
[00:49:24 - 00:49:25] It's a chill birthday party.
[00:49:25 - 00:49:26] Chill birthday party.
[00:49:26 - 00:49:28] In the Odyssey.
[00:49:28 - 00:49:31] I'm gonna add that there's a 65-inch 4K flash screen TV
[00:49:31 - 00:49:34] and somebody has confident in the Odyssey.
[00:49:34 - 00:49:36] Like lights off.
[00:49:36 - 00:49:37] But it's in another room.
[00:49:37 - 00:49:38] It's in another room.
[00:49:38 - 00:49:39] Party's going on in one room.
[00:49:39 - 00:49:41] And the Odyssey movie,
[00:49:41 - 00:49:43] home movie theater experience is on another room.
[00:49:43 - 00:49:44] What are you doing?
[00:49:44 - 00:49:46] I have an equally important question for you.
[00:49:46 - 00:49:48] Okay.
[00:49:48 - 00:49:50] What is this birthday party?
[00:49:50 - 00:49:52] It's a chill birthday party.
[00:49:52 - 00:49:53] I know.
[00:49:53 - 00:49:54] No, it's a...
[00:49:54 - 00:49:55] No, okay.
[00:49:55 - 00:49:56] I'll go over the...
[00:49:56 - 00:49:56] Structure the invitation.
[00:49:56 - 00:49:58] How did this arrive to me?
[00:49:58 - 00:50:02] Is this a an Odyssey birthday party?
[00:50:02 - 00:50:03] Or is this a birthday party?
[00:50:03 - 00:50:04] No, no.
[00:50:04 - 00:50:05] Okay, okay, here's what you get.
[00:50:05 - 00:50:06] This is what you get.
[00:50:06 - 00:50:10] This is a chill birthday party with a mutual friend.
[00:50:10 - 00:50:13] You have a friend of a friend.
[00:50:13 - 00:50:15] Your close friend is friends with this person.
[00:50:15 - 00:50:19] And they are having a general birthday party,
[00:50:19 - 00:50:22] but this guy really likes movies.
[00:50:22 - 00:50:23] And this guy's mom.
[00:50:23 - 00:50:24] Really?
[00:50:24 - 00:50:26] She just knows ball.
[00:50:26 - 00:50:27] She put on the Odyssey in the other room.
[00:50:27 - 00:50:28] Goat at mom.
[00:50:28 - 00:50:32] But everybody else is playing fun games
[00:50:32 - 00:50:33] in the main room.
[00:50:33 - 00:50:35] So I did not come to this party
[00:50:35 - 00:50:37] with the impression that the Odyssey would be put on?
[00:50:37 - 00:50:38] No.
[00:50:38 - 00:50:41] And also you aren't super close with the person.
[00:50:41 - 00:50:42] Okay.
[00:50:42 - 00:50:43] And the Odyssey's on in the other room.
[00:50:43 - 00:50:44] We were really deep on this.
[00:50:44 - 00:50:46] I'm going to say no.
[00:50:46 - 00:50:47] You're not.
[00:50:47 - 00:50:48] Not because of the...
[00:50:48 - 00:50:49] You're not gonna watch the Odyssey?
[00:50:49 - 00:50:50] I'm not gonna watch the Odyssey.
[00:50:50 - 00:50:52] In the room where the Odyssey's on?
[00:50:52 - 00:50:53] Not because of the quality of the movie.
[00:50:53 - 00:50:55] In fact, the quality has nothing to do with it.
[00:50:55 - 00:50:56] Okay.
[00:50:56 - 00:50:58] I don't necessarily want to...
[00:50:58 - 00:51:02] Because again, I don't like long movies in general.
[00:51:02 - 00:51:04] This movie definitely earns us runtime.
[00:51:04 - 00:51:05] Okay.
[00:51:05 - 00:51:06] That was my question.
[00:51:06 - 00:51:06] And I love this movie.
[00:51:06 - 00:51:08] And I think if it earns us runtime, I love it.
[00:51:09 - 00:51:10] You catch.
[00:51:10 - 00:51:11] Thanks.
[00:51:11 - 00:51:14] I love the long movie.
[00:51:14 - 00:51:17] But it needs to be a schedule event.
[00:51:17 - 00:51:18] Yeah, that's fair.
[00:51:18 - 00:51:19] That is a fair.
[00:51:19 - 00:51:23] So if I'm going to a party without the impression
[00:51:23 - 00:51:26] that I am watching the Odyssey or another three hour movie,
[00:51:28 - 00:51:30] like I need to kind of shift gears
[00:51:30 - 00:51:32] and my transmission's a little busted.
[00:51:32 - 00:51:35] So like, if I'm going to have fun and like play ping pong
[00:51:35 - 00:51:38] with like some people I don't really know, that's my impression.
[00:51:38 - 00:51:41] That's how you're going into the Odyssey's on.
[00:51:41 - 00:51:44] You're like, oh no, why didn't you say this was an Odyssey party?
[00:51:44 - 00:51:48] I would have been, I would have wore my Nolan shirt.
[00:51:48 - 00:51:49] Oh no.
[00:51:49 - 00:51:50] I'm gonna say no.
[00:51:50 - 00:51:51] Okay.
[00:51:51 - 00:51:52] But if I'm ever in that situation,
[00:51:52 - 00:51:53] I might pivot my decision.
[00:51:54 - 00:51:56] Okay.
[00:51:56 - 00:51:57] Now you're prepared though.
[00:51:57 - 00:51:58] If you're ever in that situation,
[00:51:58 - 00:52:01] now you're like, oh, remember that podcast that we did?
[00:52:01 - 00:52:02] I'm ready now.
[00:52:02 - 00:52:03] Okay.
[00:52:03 - 00:52:04] I'm going to surprise you at some point in your life.
[00:52:04 - 00:52:06] You're going to walk into my house for something.
[00:52:06 - 00:52:07] With the impression that we're playing ping pong.
[00:52:07 - 00:52:08] With the impression that you're doing something different
[00:52:08 - 00:52:09] in the Odyssey's on.
[00:52:09 - 00:52:10] The Odyssey's on.
[00:52:10 - 00:52:11] And I'm going to be like, choose.
[00:52:11 - 00:52:13] It's like the syncope logo.
[00:52:13 - 00:52:14] And I'm like, frick.
[00:52:14 - 00:52:17] And when that syncope logo came up, I was like, woo.
[00:52:17 - 00:52:17] I'm ready.
[00:52:17 - 00:52:18] I'm ready.
[00:52:18 - 00:52:19] Let's buckle in.
[00:52:19 - 00:52:22] Wow, we've talked for a while on this.
[00:52:22 - 00:52:24] What do we got coming up next, Drew?
[00:52:24 - 00:52:27] Guys, we're going to pivot a little bit.
[00:52:27 - 00:52:28] Tom Holland's still here.
[00:52:29 - 00:52:30] Spider-Man Marathon.
[00:52:30 - 00:52:31] John Barthol's still here.
[00:52:31 - 00:52:33] John Barthol's still here.
[00:52:33 - 00:52:34] Spider-Man Marathon.
[00:52:34 - 00:52:36] We are, okay.
[00:52:36 - 00:52:38] We've already talked about Spider-Man 1.
[00:52:38 - 00:52:39] The Ramey.
[00:52:39 - 00:52:40] 1, yep.
[00:52:40 - 00:52:44] And now we're going to do two, three amazing one, two.
[00:52:44 - 00:52:47] Homecoming, far from home, no way home.
[00:52:47 - 00:52:49] All in preparation for brand new day.
[00:52:49 - 00:52:51] No Spider-Verse, no Spider-Verse.
[00:52:51 - 00:52:53] Only live action.
[00:52:53 - 00:52:54] It's going to be lit.
[00:52:54 - 00:52:57] Also comment your Spider-Man hot takes.
[00:52:57 - 00:52:58] Do it.
[00:52:58 - 00:52:59] You have them.
[00:53:00 - 00:53:04] For now, that is all we have.
[00:53:04 - 00:53:05] That's like the next rest of the month.
[00:53:05 - 00:53:07] That's like the rest,
[00:53:07 - 00:53:08] I don't know when we're starting to drop,
[00:53:08 - 00:53:11] but it'll be like a week long marathon.
[00:53:11 - 00:53:12] Yep.
[00:53:12 - 00:53:13] I think we have a birthday podcast
[00:53:13 - 00:53:14] for me coming out at some point.
[00:53:14 - 00:53:15] We got some other stuff
[00:53:15 - 00:53:16] and we're watching House of the Dragon right now.
[00:53:16 - 00:53:17] True.
[00:53:17 - 00:53:19] That'll drop Monday.
[00:53:19 - 00:53:20] Is that right?
[00:53:20 - 00:53:21] Yes, Monday.
[00:53:21 - 00:53:23] If you're into any of that stuff,
[00:53:23 - 00:53:23] we got you.
[00:53:23 - 00:53:25] Hit that subscribe button.
[00:53:25 - 00:53:25] If you're like,
[00:53:25 - 00:53:27] I really hope they do something on
[00:53:27 - 00:53:28] Dune 3 when that comes out.
[00:53:28 - 00:53:29] We will.
[00:53:29 - 00:53:30] Don't worry.
[00:53:30 - 00:53:31] Don't worry at all.
[00:53:31 - 00:53:32] Don't fret.
[00:53:32 - 00:53:32] You're in good hands.
[00:53:32 - 00:53:33] I feel like all these guys
[00:53:33 - 00:53:35] are just film bros that only like Nolan.
[00:53:35 - 00:53:38] We watch everything for the Oscars.
[00:53:38 - 00:53:39] Yeah.
[00:53:39 - 00:53:41] We will watch basically anything.
[00:53:41 - 00:53:42] So if you have a suggestion, send it.
[00:53:42 - 00:53:43] We might get around to it.
[00:53:43 - 00:53:45] If you want a review of Secret Agent,
[00:53:45 - 00:53:46] we got you.
[00:53:46 - 00:53:47] It's there.
[00:53:47 - 00:53:48] Go watch it.
[00:53:48 - 00:53:51] If you want a full Pixar movie ranking breakdown,
[00:53:51 - 00:53:52] we got you.
[00:53:52 - 00:53:53] Yep.
[00:53:53 - 00:53:55] So we're a bit of everything here.
[00:53:55 - 00:53:56] Kind of a sorted box of donuts.
[00:53:56 - 00:53:58] So hit that subscribe button.
[00:53:58 - 00:53:59] Take a break.
[00:53:59 - 00:54:00] And enjoy the Odyssey.